#games4ed Archive
#games4ed discussions cover ways in which gaming can be used in education. Games mirror the way the human mind was designed to learn. They motivate players to take risks and actions, persevere through failures, set and achieve increasingly difficult goals, and devote attention, time, and effort to acquiring knowledge and skills. All this while the game is tracking the player’s actions and assessing the player’s achievements and skills. Isn’t this what we want from education?
Thursday September 29, 2016
Hey - join the chat if you can - we're talking in schools!
Matt Fratt, edtech, DC, I'm a blizzard snob :)
Betty - Oklahoma, teach graphic design animation, video production & game design - Minecraft creations by my students
Hey Matt! - I'm a blizzard fanboy myself. Currently playing a lot of and of course when time frees up WOW
FQ1 is pokemingo an esport
FQ1 is pokemingo an esport
I've been playing a little Don't Starve Together as well - fun game :)
certainly - in fact quite the digital / physical hybrid - great for the fitbit !
Aryah from Baltimore. Manage T outreach for a startup. i recently love that science game-live for a million years
here is a pool 4 tonight. How soon until someone post escort instead of esport?
back from minecon! your a celeb now!
Hey! Marina, NC, 6&7 ELA teacher & don't know? That's why I'm here - 2 find out more!
Please don't ask Nathan that :)
Hi, ! Sean, space, 3rd grade, Katamari Damacy.
Wonder if my buddy will join the conversation - he's an pro!
Hey Sean - GREAT game - need to fire that back up. The predecessor to agar.io :)
well now that you dropped his name just might
positive peer pressure :)
A1: The competitive nature of it = appealing to students; the sports focus = good hook 4 our boys especially
I like time as your opponent, rather than other, larger katamari...
e-sports are all about fostering healthy, content based competition..competition for the sake of self improvement
A1: Student excitement, collaboration & competition
in e-sports physical size does not limit achievement. all about creativity
and picking up skyscrapers instead of bigger blogs :)
YES! and honoring students for what they are passionate about and good at :)
many boys dont even realize how much learning potential there is in e-sports
Important to make sure girls feel that it is for them as well! Definitely some great competitive female gamers
maybe has some boy only groups?
A: Excitement could carry over to - programming - animation - character design - graphic design
Mark G from NJ, 5th Grade T
I like the idea that you can show kids a different way to love something they already have a passion for
Ha! It certainly feels like that some days 😝 A couple of my 7th grade boys are harder 2 engage sometimes
A1 teamwork from co-playing
A1. Are there esports in any k12 schools? I've seen League teams at colleges, that's about it.
YES! My students create minigames in - would love for one to become the next big competitive game!
should submit analog game time as an ISTE session?
A1: E-sports offer similar advantages of traditional sports, comrodery among peers, sense of belong, safe environment to hang out
hopefully how to lose gracefully and why, from a content perspective, they are losing
often a lot of content based skill underlying game success
Absolutely! big in high school, we are starting a group to expand that and bring to middle school - join us!
A2:That failure is not the end of the world & u can learn from mistakes &do better next time. Also not 2 shy away from challenges
A2. Ss learn from gaming so many soft skills, shared vision, controlling ego, fast paced decision making, conflict resolution
A2: Ss learn how to handle success and defeat. How to work together towards common goal. Achieve specific goals, tasks
A2 They can learn that even when you've done your best, things don't always work.
A2: Discipline to practice to get better - Research & Collaboration to build a better team - Decision making
yes! wanna do it as a workshop?? Do you have the energy to submit? I've got to drive an hour home after the chat
that's the beauty - the benefits are aligned with traditional sports - and reach an audience that may not fit trad mold
Hello! I am currently a graduate student learning Educational Technology and I LOVE gaming! I hope to learn more from this chat
We had rudimentary teams for first month and a half. New teams soon...
a workshop means they have to pay for it doesn't it?
learning how to lose, good sportsmanship, enjoying the competition win or lose, yep. and it's ok to want to win :)
A2) Resilience. It's amazing to me how well pro gamers take losses. I wish I could do that.
I like this! No need to shy away from challenges! Embrace the experience and grow! https://t.co/muVKav6R2y
A2:That failure is not the end of the world & u can learn from mistakes &do better next time. Also not 2 shy away from challenges
I never thought about transitory teams. I always kept same teams the whole year. Now you got me thinking
yeah teaching my 5 year old that its ok to want to win but accept defeat is like climbing mt everest :-)
A2: sportsmanship, learning from their mistakes, quick thinking/responding, and enjoying success
for sure - and talking / considering strategy invokes so much critical thinking and collaboration https://t.co/LmgJylFOdB
A2. Ss learn from gaming so many soft skills, shared vision, controlling ego, fast paced decision making, conflict resolution
which e-sport would you start first at your school?
A2: Competitive gaming lessons: empathy, teamwork, digital citzenship, positive temperment (after mistakes, of course)
Partnerships come and go in real life...Now I'm thinking that I should have a team building marketplace...
just like in school, we want to allow and embrace failure as part of the learning - improvement is iterative
Sounds great - my students would like this
A2 how to work as teams in multiplayer games
So glad you could join us! We are working to expand in schools - would love to involve you :) mentor? coach?
I think it says it 'could include an honorarium' - I don't want $$ but the longer time of workshop seems good
I'm up for anything where it fits. could be a funny approach to poster session - drop in gaming - or playground?
i wouldn't say all pro gamers take losing well :)
Well neither at the moment but I would love to learn about what I can do to become a coach or mentor and how to use it.
drop in gaming. I like that idea for a poster session. I could write that up tomorrow
Q3: What are the obstacles of getting an program established? How can you gain community support? https://t.co/AyajUam5BR
Ss can also learn deep strategy and collaborative techniques.
we need more of us at the table? Who else is going to ISTE
funny - can't hear the word temperament the same after the debate on Monday ... https://t.co/DWEaA24lAO
A2: Competitive gaming lessons: empathy, teamwork, digital citzenship, positive temperment (after mistakes, of course)
explaining how esports are educational in a believable manner could be challenging
Not all pro anything's do - they are still way better at it than I!
A3) so many popular esports games are rated T or higher and based on violence.
A3: The first concern for me would be aligning an esports program with the ISTE standards and/or common core standards
A3: Roadblocks - founding for hardware and software. Overcoming, put no family game nights.
A3: Just like w/ everything else, procuring the $$ & admin buy in in a world where standardized testing is the focus
We are looking at a few games - we shall see :)
yeah you would need to do the leg work of wrap around lesson plans, standards alignment before doing the community sitdown
such incredible value in terms of critical thinking and strategy
and doesn't have to be purely educational - not sure the varsity football team is seen as an educational endeavor
A3 The fact that I've never thought of a connection between and school until tonight... Want support? , baby!
A3. Esports not valued by non forward thinking parents even though strats & level playing field of games counters lack of exercise
I actually am a regular in League of Legends and tried to bring a team when I was in high school.
great point - CS:GO couldn't possibly fly in schools but real popular in - T games should be ok MS/HS
Our group is trying real hard to get sponsorship regarding hardware / software :)
As educators, we could find new games to promote positive non-violent competition. Competitive building?
very true -that's why we need to argue that it has a place just like traditional sports programs - meet needs of kids
oh if its just a club very different than introducing it in class..less parent buy in required
Hey Matt, I gamified back-to-school night, and converted a few of my Ss parents. They wrote what value they saw in
my math teacher had a fantasy sports club last year..kids loved it, no admin/parent issues
glad you are here. Seems like our efforts are raising awareness - keep spreading the word :) goes viral
so true and it's funny because the same parents would value a chess club or robotics, right? similar learning outcomes
sure, they are out there. My group plays alot of Mario Kart still (also Ultimate Chicken Horse which RULES.)
In addition to parents being concerned, I know the communities of a lot of Esports aren't very student friendly in language use.
absolutely! when you think of potential for build challenges - it starts to look similar to robotics comp
Ok, I feel lame, I need to go Google Ultimate CHicken Horse, because I don't know what it is ;-(
absolutely - and in my opinion it would more likely fit as an extracurricular activity
A3: Getting adults 2 see the value - get support thru info from current e-sport teams -provide adults list of skills Ss will learn
Ultimate Chicken Horse? Color me
4 sure, need 2 be the champions of kids & what they need 2 succeed 😉💪✨
valid point and exactly why we should bring it into schools where we can influence that culture
I think if kids get started with it in element it makes buy in much easier in later years
I'm just as lame as you on this one!
Maybe a letter, but a Badge would be WAY Cooler!
Yep! Just like the junior soccer leagues, etc, right?
Badges would look great on varsity jackets!!!
Maybe students should get to vote on the equity of after school club/sports budgets
A3: blocker to in school: Parent concern- "why give our kids more online games, when they're already doing too much"
not all S's want to go watch their terrible football team play!
A4 if e-sports can be on ESPN then yes
My Tech of Instruction class is gamified and it totally changed my mind- demonstartion is the best way
A4) Imagine how easy pushing STEM would be if esports kids were the school heroes.
yup, its all about our priorities https://t.co/A7r0A0DdaL
A4) Imagine how easy pushing STEM would be if esports kids were the school heroes.
A4: It's kind of like asking why value "non-active" sports like chess or mathletes. It has just as much value as esports.
dont worry my company is making sci games and awesome STEM heroes are def in the mix
Exactly - and they are ! How great is that!!!!
A4 Yes, and answer addiction concerns with "better to teach moderation skills when they are in your house than after they leave"
and have you seen how excited people get when spectating at a huge gaming competition? looks like wrestlemania
A4: Yes -Varsity sports have teams with support -booster clubs, cheerleaders, band -need support & champions 4 esports
yup, there is too much societal taboo about what people should get "excited" about
crap what if we grabbed a table during an poster session and set up shop
Yes - and a blocker that we need to address - so many retorts
retorts will only lessen with ubiquity of the clubs..when it becomes routine no one will question it
if kids started a croquet club now they would get the same flak
Q5: What games can you see fitting well in competitive a competitive gaming environment in schools? https://t.co/7FB778gaiD
I get E-sports on ESPN 8, the Ocho. Doesn't everyone. They are on rights after Dodgeball.
A5: Overwatch, Minecraft, Hearthstone, Rocket League, League of Legends, DOTA2
A4: yes! if colleges are starting to have esports teams there should be some incentives at the HS level
A5) smash bros. if your community would accep it. Rocket League. FIFA is huge in my area.
It's the A5s that I wanna hear. The stuff that fits with 8-10 year olds is what I'm interested in...
A5: I see Minecraft as one because there are so many lessons and educational value you can get from it. Also many MOBAs as well!
it comes down to money, so if colleges thought they could sell lots of tix to gaming events, players would def get scholarships
A5. League and Hearthstone prolly two most palatable, I would shy away from shooters (especially cuz I'm terrible at them)
some of them fit - minecraft, rocket league - as others said, FIFA, NBA2K, Hearthstone, etc.
absolutely! Mario Kart and Super Smash Bros - huge competitive possibilities - Super Smash has huge comp following
A4: A bus driver brought a sports magazine to class with an article about esports - need more press adults read
Got to bring back NBAJam, now thats competitive.
any of the madden games could be great..lots of avenues for insertion of ed content
I'm sorry to hop out, , I'm about to collapse in my chair from weariness. You are fantastic.
A5: What games would be good for in school competitions? I say Ask The Students! Filter from there
I would consider hearthstone, simple but peel back for complexity, inexplicably it's rated T
Thanks for joining us, Sean!
yeah if you dont ask S's it might not matter at all, although mixing it up also a good idea. https://t.co/D7VKwsphTD
I would consider hearthstone, simple but peel back for complexity, inexplicably it's rated T
A5: Minecraft -platform works great in school environment -sand box that is highly customizable
Interestingly, a lot of sports teams are getting involved in sponsoring eSports - NBA is getting in on the game (no pun intended)
absolutely! and already has so much edu buy in!
A5: any free to play games that encourage cooperative play and/or resource strategy would be good for Jr./Sr. High
with sports there's a natural crossover in terms of marketing , branding, fan base
Q6: There was a Youtuber who did a building contest with people to see who could build the best structure. This could be an idea
A6 play other people's courses and make videos about adventures
A6: Love the new battlemode on consoles. Up to 4 player split screen is nice
would be incredible at any level, from elem to HS. From building, to redstone to command blocks
A6: Build challenges would be great - provide constraints, encourage use of redstone in creative ways - big time critical thinking
Yes - perfect entry point to bring in young gamers!
A6 I'm prepared to be really wrong on this but minecraft's pvp limitations I think make it a marginal esport in high school
A5: So many great apps could be used in if environment could be set for target audience: Clash of Clans, etc
A6: Building competitions to test skills, use of redstone, logic, mods
Have to head out but thanks for having me, definitely learned from this chat and hope to chat again soon. Thanks!
important thing is it solves problem of exclusionary nature of physical sports..competitiveness no limited to physical sports
YES! with so many of these games we need to work with publisher to create customize-able competition format
A7 It's inevitable that there will be a flourishing after school esports league. It may take a while, but it can't not happen.
may not be the best choice for high school, but as younger kids get involved it may have staying power
I would say limited time rounds so its inclusionary
A7: First Robotics has had tremendous success in creating a HS competitive structure. Perhaps look to them?
A7: Our initiative is looking at creating clubs to be inclusive, and competitive teams to come from the clubs
A7: During class or online after school -most Ss ride bus home -some live 30-40 miles away
A7: I like idea of periodic 'one-off' tournaments as well as a more organized consistent league - meet needs of variety of kids
Steve, thanks for a great chat tonight. I'll try to be more controversial in the future.
Thanks everyone for a great chat - if you'd like to get more involved in our community, please contact me!
