#3rdchat Archive


Wednesday February 7, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome! Introduce yourself! Who are you and where do you teach? #3rdchat
  • participatechat Feb 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #3rdchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/bYrzKJz0E0
  • MrsFollett Feb 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Laura,Keller Tx! #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome Laura. We are glad you are here. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsFollett
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    BTW, at the end of the chat, I’ll post all of the resources mentioned during the chat. #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Azure from Derby, KS. I teach at Derby Hills Elementary. Home of the Dragons! #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Donna from Ft. Worth, Texas. I'm excited to learn with everyone tonight. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Good evening #3rdchat peeps. I am Lesa Haney and I learn alongside some amazing kiddos and am inspired by dedicated colleagues in Austin, TX.
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Jessica here from Calgary! #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Gus's Fried Chicken! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • bethfuston Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Hello #3rdchat! Beth, 2nd grade, Dripping Springs
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Is there lots of snow on the ground there? Welcome Jessica! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
    #3rdchat is starting right now! Come join us as we discuss our S's speaking skills and how we can support them. @erik_palmer is facilitating. All are welcome!
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Apologies if there are glitches! I am trying to do this from a hotel room. #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Oh yes! Lol Looking at 25-35 more cm coming our way in the next day or so. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Hi Donna! #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Q1) Does your school have a speaking curriculum? Specific materials with a scope & sequence for developing oral language? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Wow! You would laugh at what us Texas call snow. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Ron Martiello. 3rd Grade from PA. Still celebrating thanks to those Philadelphia 🦅 #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Ugh #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel, @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Hi Ron! It was a great game! #3rdchat
    In reply to @Ron_Martiello
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    For example, “in 3rd grade, we teach EMPHATIC HAND GESTURES; in 4th grade, DESCRIPTIVE HAND GESTURES…#3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A1: We do not have a speaking curriculum. This year, a couple of my teammates have done genius hour presentations. We incorporate speaking occasionally. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Books with ACTIVITIES do not count. I need LESSONS! #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A1 We don't have a specific curriculum for speaking but it is a large focus at our school. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    How is that demonstrated? What are you doing? #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
    I bet I would but it depends on what you’re used to. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Most speaking is an afterthought to some other unit. AFTER reading the book, do a 3 minute talk. AFTER poetry unit, do some recitation. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A1: We do not; however, I have shared your resources with them. I have been exploring concept after reading your book for a few years now. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    What resources are you using? #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    What a great idea for vertical alignment! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Yay! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Hi, I'm Sara from Missoula, MT! #3rdchat
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Hi #3rdchat! Kathryn from the Los Angeles area
  • bethfuston Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    #3rdchat As far as I know our school does not have a speaking curriculum.
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Q1) Does your school have a speaking curriculum? Specific materials with a scope & sequence for developing oral language? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Yep! Very true. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Sigh. Most don't....#3rdchat
    In reply to @bethfuston
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Hi Sara! #3rdchat
    In reply to @SaraKiffe
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Come on out and give it a test run before you commit. 🤓#3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth, @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Glad you are here! #3rdchat
    In reply to @katnish16
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Suggested reading: https://t.co/rSsaOvyLH8 #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Retweeting Q1 for those just joining us. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Q1) Does your school have a speaking curriculum? Specific materials with a scope & sequence for developing oral language? #3rdchat
  • Dale_Chu Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    HAPPENING NOW: @erik_palmer moderating a discussion on speaking. Follow along at #3rdchat!
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A1: In ELA we recite poems and give 3 speeches in 3rd grade. We also perform plays and present Animal Goolgle Slide presentations to the class. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Yes! All are welcome. #3rdchat
    In reply to @Dale_Chu, @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
    How do you teach them to do those speeches well? #3rdchat
    In reply to @SaraKiffe
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Q2) Oral language comes 1st. What percent of your instruction is based on oral communication? #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1: I will say that most of the emphasis is on paper and pencil assessments. #3rdchat.
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Q1) Does your school have a speaking curriculum? Specific materials with a scope & sequence for developing oral language? #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A2: A few years ago, when I integrated @KaganOnline structures, that increased the amount of oral communication but I am still weak in the area of student presentations. #3rdchat
  • MrsUkena Feb 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
    2) Mine personally? Probably 70%. If Ss can explain something to me, break it down in their vocab, that's really more important to me. That shows true understanding. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
    And yet we spend more time speaking than doing paper and pencil...#3rdchat
    In reply to @Ron_Martiello
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
    I see this too. How might we change this? #3rdchat
    In reply to @Ron_Martiello
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: No speaking curriculum that I know of. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A2: Hard to come up with % but I would say it is up there. Students are engaged in speaking activities most of the day but still working on how to make that better and more intentional. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    It is the #1 language art in the real world, too. 75% of adult communication is listening & speaking. #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Angela - 3rd from CA A1: Our district's ELA curriculum has and ELD component. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Here is Q2 in case you missed it. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
      Q2) Oral language comes 1st. What percent of your instruction is based on oral communication? #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1 Speaking is a component in more than one core’s curriculum, though I am not certain it gets the full attention that it should/could. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    What does ELD stand for? #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    I agree - I always make then explain orally. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsUkena
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Agreed! There is NO subject area or grade level where speaking well doesn't matter. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Hi! Vicki, Dripping Springs TX #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Wow - I had never thought of it that way. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @Ron_Martiello
  • spiralEDU Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    The Xwlemi Language teacher at the Northwest Indian college decided to teach solely oral communication since traditionally, they didn’t have a written language. Student engagement went up and they were actually learning to use the language! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    BTW, teachers who speak well are more effective with kids and adults. We can improve our speaking, too. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Hi Vicki! Glad you are joining us. #3rdchat
    In reply to @mrsvking8
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    I'd love to know more! After the chat, let me know. #3rdchat
    In reply to @spiralEDU
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    We started using @Seesaw this year and I have been using it frequently for assessment. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney, @Ron_Martiello, @Seesaw
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A2: Not sure of the percentage but I would have to say that most of my instruction is based on oral communication. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Q3) How often do you assign speaking activities (read aloud, poetry recitations, book reports, presentations of any kind, sharing, etc.)? Give some examples. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Yep. The number 1 language art by far! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2: A big part of my instruction is oral, but it is probably not a big enough part of how I assess students. It's always amazing to see who shines in my classroom as a speaker. #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    #3rdchat Why speaking skills are important
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
      It is the #1 language art in the real world, too. 75% of adult communication is listening & speaking. #3rdchat
  • spiralEDU Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    This is so true In Early childhood education: children learn to speak before reading & writing. They can be oral story tellers and problem solvers long before they can write a sentence! #3rdchat #ece
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2 I am having a hard time coming up wth a % but it is a lot. We spend a lot of time in discussion. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Tell us about both formal and informal speaking, not just the big projects. #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A3: Not as often as I should. This year, students have been reading their writing on @Seesaw and I've implemented a little @Flipgrid. I need to step up my game in this area! Always looking for ways to improve! #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I love that speaking activities let OTHER kids shine. Some are not good writers or mathers but shine at speaking. #3rdchat
    In reply to @SaraKiffe
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    English Language Development...We are required to have a minimum of 30min designated towards ELD for our students who are considered English Language Learners. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A1: No specific speaking curriculum. I try to incorporate sentence stems for my students to encourage complete sentences #3rdchat
  • MrsUkena Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    3) Daily. Discussion & sharing is integral to our room. Maybe it isn't always formal, but I prefer productive noise of Ss helping one another & asking questions. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Flipgrid is awesome! AFTER we teach them how to speak well, of course...#3rdchat
    In reply to @azurehenwood, @Seesaw, @Flipgrid
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A3: Very often. We just jigsawed 3 major Earth's forces. Students researched and presented learning to others who research different force. #3rdchat
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2: Hard to put a percentage on it. Most of the speaking comes from me but I'm trying to find more ways more often for the Ss to be able to share their learning orally. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q3 for #3rdchat coming at you again.
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
      Q3) How often do you assign speaking activities (read aloud, poetry recitations, book reports, presentations of any kind, sharing, etc.)? Give some examples. #3rdchat
  • spiralEDU Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #flipgridfever & @Flipgrid make it easy to incorporate oral speaking skills into any lesson! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @Flipgrid
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Why do you do it? Why assign speaking activities? #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: Oral language is a greater part of the school day. That language is shared from teacher to student, student to teacher, and student to student. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
      Q2) Oral language comes 1st. What percent of your instruction is based on oral communication? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    It gets easier once they know what good speaking is and once we teach them how to speak well. #3rdchat
    In reply to @katnish16
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A3: I consider formal speaking to be when my Ss use specific academic language. For example, when they are explaining how to solve a math problem or how to use a strategy. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
    I have never run into any teacher that had NO speaking activities. That's why it's weird to me that so few folks focus on speaking. #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A3 Often. We use @flipgrid and @Seesaw to explain our thinking and orally share writing. Our Student of the week recited poetry, reads a picture book, presents a poster, and presents a special thing. We present Genius Hour type projects, conduct a state fair. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Last year I had a parent who was involved in Toastmasters come to speak with us and give tips. Check with parents, you may have experts willing to share. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @katnish16
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    If I gave you a golf club and said, "Keep swinging!" would you become a good golfer? Nope, you need some specific lessons. Likewise, these activities alone will not create good speakers. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Wow! What a great classroom! And now with some specific speaking instruction, these kids will rock! #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A2 Oral communication probably is included in 70% of my instructional time. I’m not saying that students are always making formal presentations. They talk about their learning and explore together using conversations and feedback. #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A3 b I ask my students to stand up and speak a lot in class. They explain their thinking and are encouraged to use vocabulary studied in class. They also work with partners and groups a lot. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    When kids bomb doing one of these activities, we tend to just move on. Yet when kids bomb on a writing activity, we stop and teach lessons to help. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    This was key for me. I had never thought about how to direct teach this before reading your book. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @DonnaWeth, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A3: My students participate in speaking activities all day in all subject areas. Pair share, presentation of ideas, read alouds, flipgrid...#3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Yes, I want kids speaking well informally, too. These aren't tools for special occasions only #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A3: My 3rd graders always have the option to share their writing outloud. We also do shares where students pair up and one person shares for 30 seconds, and then the other student, and then they share with the class what their partner said. #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A3: I utilize @Flipgrid, @padlet let, and @Screencastify a couple times per week for different subjects. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
      Q3) How often do you assign speaking activities (read aloud, poetry recitations, book reports, presentations of any kind, sharing, etc.)? Give some examples. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Q4) Be honest: do most oral presentations by students engage the listeners? Are Ss impressive speakers? Do listeners gain a lot? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    It's not too late to join in. All are welcome! #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Yes! I teach them to face their audience, stand up, and use their hands. It is hard for some of them! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    It is hard for most! Everything is hard until someone specifically teaches you how to do it. #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A2: Hard to give a percentage, but we do a lot of turn and talk to your partner and then sharing with the group. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Are students in the audience totally engaged & inspired? #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A4: No, I do not think they are engaging. I think this is because we don't focus on developing these skills. #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Adding it to the book list as we speak! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney, @erik_palmer, @Flipgrid, @Seesaw
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Agreed! and this is what drives me crazy...#3rdchat
    In reply to @azurehenwood
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3: To help with conversations I have this anchor chart posted. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
    2 days later, how many listeners could tell you anything a classmate presented? Don’t waste Ss time with weak presentations. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q4 for #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q4 for #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
      Q4) Be honest: do most oral presentations by students engage the listeners? Are Ss impressive speakers? Do listeners gain a lot? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    If 1 of 10 passes your test, YOU failed, not them. If 1 of 10 presenters is impressive, YOU failed. #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A4 Honestly - no they are not. At times I have to remind them to be engaged. #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A4: Some students have difficulty organizing their thoughts in an oral presentation. They focus on their own words rather than their audience. We emphasize the importance of focusing on our audience. It takes iteration. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
      Q4) Be honest: do most oral presentations by students engage the listeners? Are Ss impressive speakers? Do listeners gain a lot? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    I joke that I invented PVLEGS for ME. I couldn't take boring presentations anymore...#3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I know, I know: I'm being mean. It's just that I think speaking really matters is more important to social & professional success than anything else we teach. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A4: Still lots of room for growth. This is still a growth area for me. It has def. gotten better over the years. After every presentation students give supportive feedback through glows and grows. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    We sell Ss short. They can do much better. We have to stop “Oh well, that’s just how they talk.” #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    While this is hard to hear, you have a point. We can change how we approach this. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    And it takes knowing the specific pieces of giving good talks. #3rdchat
    In reply to @Ron_Martiello
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    #3rdchat All this makes me think of The Amazing Shake competition #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A3 We are developing speaking skills every day. This includes recorded @seesaw posts, assigned feedback time, modelling, teaching our peers and special projects with other classes. we are talking to learn and talking about learning all the time. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Most Ts see poor writing & offer lots of help to fix it. Most see poor/mediocre speaking & go on to the next unit anyhow. #3rdchat
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A4: Sometimes, but not really. If they're sharing their writing, I do ask the other Ss to give positive feedback so that helps them learn to listen carefully #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Great idea. I have had them write what they learned, but perhaps a focus on looking for the glows of a presentation would draw their attention to what I really want them to learn! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
    BTW, if you have impressive speakers, share with https://t.co/2rEAArtb3H and get $$$ & prizes. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    I would love to see more videos of strong student speakers. Do you have resources? #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Q5) What are the specific skills needed to be a good speaker? #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A4: I was surprised to see how much engaging my students were when presenting through @Flipgrid. Then someone reminded me that this is the generation of YouTubers. So, I'm trying to show connection between the two for my Ss. #3rdchat
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A4: No, I don’t think that students are engaged when most of their peers are presenting. There are a few, but this seems to be something that has to be taught and practiced. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    Try https://t.co/2rEAArtb3H for starters #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    YES!! #3rdchat
    In reply to @mrsvking8
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    I ran into a teacher who said vocal intonation. I asked, "What do you mean by that?" She said, "I'm not sure." #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Tough question, isn't it? No one ever taught us! No PD about it, no sessions at conferences...#3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A5: Confidence, a good hook, engaging content, passion. #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Confidence was the first thing that popped in my head too. #3rdchat
    In reply to @azurehenwood
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A4: Sometimes they aren't engaging. Speeches last year were pretty amazing though. I spent a lot of time teaching hooks and how to have interesting talk points, and how to stand, make eye contact and gesture during the speeches. #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Any skill needs to be revisited regularly. I’ve never heard of a reading unit then the reading is over for the year. Speaking should be no different. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
    We get confident when we know what we are doing. Making kids talk without specific instruction kills confidence. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr, @azurehenwood
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
    You are so right. . #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Are these kid-friendly terms? Will 3rd graders understand them? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q5 from #3rdchat How would you answer?
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    That's it? Confidence and 2 other things? C'mon, folks, we gotta tell kids what it takes #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A5: Eye contact, projection, clear message. Looking for more direction in this area. #3rdchat
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Glad to be here! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q5 from #3rdchat How would you answer?
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A5: I am a fan of your PVLEGS (poise, voice, life, eye contact, gestures, speed.) I have to admit though that life and gestures are hardest for me to support students with. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I'd answer with PVLEGS and ACOVA www.pvegs,com #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A5 well it needs to be interesting, engage your audience, look them in the eye, move around, tell a personal story so they connect with you, be funny #3rdchat
  • MrsFollett Feb 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I love this! This would be great for reading partnerships and positive comments on @Seesaw #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    It's getting confusing! Lots of different ways to think about speaking! I think a common language will help kids more. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Life is the toughest for ALL speakers. My new book is for adults and all of them struggle. That's why I have many little practice speeches that call for life. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    ACOVA? #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    I haven't read the book - what do you mean by life? #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @lesahaney
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Agreed. Starting to use YouTube channels and publish videos. Flipped Lessons, family updates, and vlogging. I need to be a good speaker before I can teach my kids to be one. #3rdchat
    • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
      A4: I was surprised to see how much engaging my students were when presenting through @Flipgrid. Then someone reminded me that this is the generation of YouTubers. So, I'm trying to show connection between the two for my Ss. #3rdchat
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Most of these I get, but what do you mean by "life"?? #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    What is ACOVA ? #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    The elements of BUILDING a talk; PVLEGS is about PERFORMING the talk once it's built #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    I find that I comes across as "fake" when we are working on it. Fun in practice sessions but seems odd during talks. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    I loved 6-trait writing. Simplified understanding and teaching writing. I offer 6-trait speaking. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Simplifying all of this: https://t.co/p0nU8iBgTG #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4 Formal presentations can be dry and full of the kids aren’t trained as speakers and audience members. It’s worthwhile to front load the work on skills needed. There’s a reason kiddos like Kid President are engaging speakers. @iamkidpresident . #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A kid-friendly way of saying feeling/emotion/passion/inflection. You gotta have LIFE in your voice #3rdchat
    In reply to @DonnaWeth, @lesahaney
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Good idea to show them some Kid President stuff and ask why they like it! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel, @iamkidpresident
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A great model! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel, @iamkidpresident
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Want to know more about PVLEGS and what this stands for? https://t.co/x5EoP5UGR2 #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
    And it will at first. They are just emerging. It gets better. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Q6) Assigning speeches IS NOT THE SAME as teaching Ss how to speak well. Do you have specific lessons to teach the skills (gesture lessons, eye contact lessons, etc.)? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I have to admit that when I try it I tend to come across like Jim Carrey in The Mask. LOL! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @DonnaWeth
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A great guy to use as a model! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney, @DonnaWeth
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Before assigning the essay, you (or others before you) taught capitalization & had Ss practice. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    DON’T SHARE ACTIVITIES! We all have activities but how do you teach them to do those well? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    You taught comma usage & had Ss practice; sentence fragments & had students practice; topic sentences &,,,. #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A6: I think our social skills curriculum assists in teaching these skills, but it is not a focus overall. I will admit that this is an area to improve across the board! #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A 2 minute video about this: https://t.co/ZtjFaTgd38 #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Check this out #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    It literally makes EVERYTHING we do better. #3rdchat
    In reply to @azurehenwood
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    How to use speed well and then time to practice with little speeches that call for changing pace? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Before assigning the speech, what SPECIFIC LESSONS did you give the Ss? How to be poised & then chances to practice? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I am loving your analogies! I can't wait for you to share resources at the end of our chat. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A6: Not yet but starting to formulate some plans for PVLEGS. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
      Q6) Assigning speeches IS NOT THE SAME as teaching Ss how to speak well. Do you have specific lessons to teach the skills (gesture lessons, eye contact lessons, etc.)? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
    A6: We talk about eye contact (or what you can do if you don't want to look at someone), how to stand, voice level...#3rdchat
  • 8to3withMrsV Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
    I agree! I want to place more emphasis on social skills all day, not just in our 20 minute morning meeting. I feel like I'm growing/getting better in that area, but I still have a lot of work to do. I want it to encompass everything, not just stand alone #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @azurehenwood
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Q6 for #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
      Q6) Assigning speeches IS NOT THE SAME as teaching Ss how to speak well. Do you have specific lessons to teach the skills (gesture lessons, eye contact lessons, etc.)? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Should I stop to apologize? Maybe I seem rough. I am definitely criticizing the way we are doing things now, but I want to make your lives & your student lives better! #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A5 Kids need the confidence to speak aloud to their peers or on a recording. Kids also need a sense of what will make a talk interesting to others. Yup, I’ve picked broad skills that are tough to teach. #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Check this out if you want lessons to help you get started. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    But you can break it into teachable pieces! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A 5th grade teacher in CA demonstrates TEACHING eye contact instead of just telling Ss to do it: https://t.co/lXJ3D75rK7 #3rdchat
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Don't apologize. It seems so obvious when you say it. We all want to grow - that is why we are here! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Kindergarteners after being taught ACOVA and PVLEGS: https://t.co/uzttZN4ynt #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
    If you would like to see this in action.... #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
    During pair share time I remind my students to look at the person they are talking to. This is at a small scale, but I feel it helps when they are in front of the class and speaking. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • SaraKiffe Feb 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A6: We do practice a lot of eye contact, gestures, pacing, volume in my speech unit. I try to make them aware of their movements and how to engage the audience. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Perfect! It starts small scale! That's what many miss. They only think about speaking when it gets big: presentations and such. Bad idea. #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Kindergarten speakers.... #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Q7) What digital tools & sites do you use to have students record rough drafts of speeches? #3rdchat
  • teacheridea Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Word Problem Game for Operations and Algebraic Thinking. https://t.co/fhwKQdnmkW #edchat #elemchat #1stchat #3rdchat #5thchat #elemmathchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Maybe a little off topic? #3rdchat
    In reply to @teacheridea
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    This has been me. I haven't even thought about connecting this with every day speaking. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    We also practice voice levels. #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A7: Having students record on @Seesaw and @Flipgrid has been an awesome tool this year! #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Every device has recording capability. Photo Booth on all Mac devices. “Record & send me the rough draft so I can comment/teach.” #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
    You DO require rough drafts, right? Ss hand in rough drafts before writing assignments are due, so of course the same for talks. #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
    No apologies needed. We’re here to learn together, rethink and reimagine. #3rdchat .
    In reply to @DonnaWeth, @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Every smart phone can record audio/video. “Record & send me the rough draft so I can comment/teach.” #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A7: Recording w/iPads. Google Classroom, Seesaw, Flipgrid, Also small group practice with student feedback. #3rdchat
  • katnish16 Feb 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Haha. I love "spy talk" :) #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
    FlipGrid is the only tool I've used for recording so far. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Students MUST be involved in feedback/grading. All talks are for an audience. The audience opinion matters! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
    I am def rethinking how I am supporting kids with speaking skills after tonight's #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:49 PM EST
    https://t.co/K7kHGxmnIy is free. “Go online, record, send me the practice of your reader’s theater so I can comment/teach.” #3rdchat
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:49 PM EST
    A7: Shared these earlier and I recommend all of them: @Flipgrid @padlet @Screencastify . Great for any subject or topic. #3rdchat
    • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
      Q7) What digital tools & sites do you use to have students record rough drafts of speeches? #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Q8) No two teachers at your school have the same rubric for speaking. How do you score speaking? #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:50 PM EST
    @erik_palmer why do you think this hasn't been an emphasis in schools and how would you suggest getting conversations started? #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A7 @seesaw on iPads and chromebooks. When my students were recording their Christmas music videos, they had the lyrics on one device and were recording on another. We r currently working on subtracting with regrouping instructional videos using the draw and record tool. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
    In the era of Big High Stakes Testing, we focus on what is on the test. Speaking isn't. But everything on the test is oral language dependent. Q8) No two teachers at your school have the same rubric for speaking. How do you score speaking? #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • Ron_Martiello Feb 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
    I have given tips to students but have not truly taught speaking skills. The chat has definitely made me think too. #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
    A8: This is a good question and I do not have a good answer. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I promise you that kids who learn to speak well will also develop "testable' skills #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Enunciation, elocution, articulation, volume, projection, loudly, slowly, vocal modulation, inflection, enthusiasm--too many! #3rdchat
  • azurehenwood Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A8: Eye contact, content, voice level, etc. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A consistent language school-wide is needed. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Way uptown! Send this idea to https://t.co/2rEAArtb3H! #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsJKowbel, @Seesaw
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    I know it. I would love ideas on how to start this conversation on campuses and within the district. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • DonnaWeth Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A8 I have no answer - we don't score it. Boy - do I have my work cut out for me... #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
    BTW, never put “Speak loudly” on your rubric. Speaking loudly is annoying. That’s not what you really mean. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
    BTW, never put “Speak slowly” on your rubric. BORING. You mean “Pay attention to speed. Fast parts & slow parts are cool.” #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
    A7: In our district we use a SOLOM to score our ELs and use that as a guide when I'm assessing speaking and the common core standards. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
    SOLOM? #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
    An article about evaluating speaking: https://t.co/FOu0qvT3RZ #3rdchat
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Student Oral Language Observation Matrix #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
    @erik_palmer You have definitely given us so much to think about. Lots of reflection and searches for resource to follow. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Note to self: check out SOLOM #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
    A page about evaluating speaking with checklists Ss should have before talks, evals Ss should use while listening, rubrics Ts should use: https://t.co/lrDHTTdWgy #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Can you share? #3rdchat
    In reply to @MrsBarnett_Tchr, @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Short term, a little harder for you: paying attention to something sorta ignored, changing thinking. Long term, a lot easier for you: a simple, practical way to improve ALL oral activities. #3rdchat
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thank you thank you thank you! I appreciate your efforts to improve the teaching of the #1 language art, speaking!! Play on! #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Hey #3rdchat peeps, FYI--Next week we will host our first ever slow chat. @8to3withMrsV will be hosting.
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Thank you! Lessons are what I was hoping for! #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
    it would be amazing for us to all have the same vocabulary about this throughout a campus/district. #3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer
  • MrsBarnett_Tchr Feb 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
    This isn't it...but our district uses something similar. https://t.co/1QhfrDE653 #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney, @erik_palmer
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Check out https://t.co/2rEAArtb3H contests! #3rdchat
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Oh snap! Did you miss #3rdchat this evening? Want to receive a reminder 30 minutes before each chat? Visit https://t.co/CIQlapvoMU or text @92gd2h to 81010
  • erik_palmer Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    An animation about speaking: https://t.co/PgCklMzLab. An article about speaking: https://t.co/Csxn00ltWA. A website about speaking: https://t.co/XwoaSEUfzu. An article with tons of resources included: https://t.co/tQQE7NDgeg #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A8 Triangulation. I look at 3 components to assess in every class for the outcomes. Products. Conversations. Observations. For speaking, a recording of the speaking skill, reflection with the student and my anecdotal notes and checklist. Not always all 3. #3rdchat
  • mrsvking8 Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    I agree! That would be great! #3rdchat
    In reply to @lesahaney, @erik_palmer
  • lesahaney Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    As always @erik_palmer you have given us much to think about. Thanks for joining us tonight. #3rdchat
  • MrsJKowbel Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Hehe. I will have a look at that. 😇#3rdchat
    In reply to @erik_palmer, @Seesaw