#LDchat Archive
Understood holds this weekly Twitter chat that aims to keep the momentum going and raise awareness of learning and attention issues. Follow along with hashtag #LDCHAT and follow users @understoodchats & @understoodorg. Experts will be available to answer your questions and concerns and share resources from Understood.org.
Wednesday June 8, 2016
Welcome to today’s LD Chat! This is Dan with the Understood team. I'll be moderating the chat with .
Today, we’ll be talking about and as it relates to kids with learning and attention issues.
Hi Dan. I'm happy to be able to join this week
Great to have you, Tina! Thanks for joining.
Hi Dan. This is Marvin from Fresno. Happy to listen in to today’s
Peter with a PhD. ? That's me! I wrote a book: Screwed up somehow but not stupid: Life with a learning disability
Good morning, I'm excited to learn about how to help students with anger and frustration.
Great to have you, Marvin! How's the weather in Fresno?
Hi, Peter! Always great having you.
Hi, James! Thanks for joining this week!
Hello! I'm here and playing with Osmo at the same time.
:)
Thanks for joining, Penny!
HOT! At least it’s not supposed to be over 100 today.
https://t.co/r9lSP7SxSn
Great to have you, Marvin! How's the weather in Fresno?
We’ll use a Q1, Q2… format for questions. Please use the A1, A2… format for answers.
Hi ! Multitasking today and chatting while running errands!
So a question. Are we talking persons w#LD frustration ? Or mine w the systems? Need help w both. LOL
Always great having you, Kerri!
We'll be talking about kids with who are frustrated.
Great question, though! Ha!
How about adults with who are frustrated?
Q1. and are related, but not identical. What’s the difference between them?
- Hi Peter, we'll be discussing kids, but we'd love to hear your thoughts!
A1: I think of anger as outward and frustration as inward.
A1 Frustration can lead to anger (or not) and anger can come from frustration (or other sources)
A1 Frustration comes from not being able to do something. Anger is more varied.
A1 Frustration could lead to anger, or giving up, or depression, or who knows what.
A1 Frustration can be expressed as anger but also as apathy
HolaHolaHola Beautifuls! Today's a Hot topic Coping w/
A1 On the positive side, frustration can lead to growth. It often does.
I missed the question, am I only seeing some of these tweets? I'm updating the page, but seems I'm missing some of the convo.
Strange. Question: and are related, but not identical. What’s the difference between them?
very true need to keep it within zone of proximal development to get growth though
Q2. Why might a child with be more prone to struggle with and ?
I like what you said about frustration leading to growth at times. So true.
I think it's more about the other qualities of the person. Confident people deal well with frustration.
A2 Because with some forms of ADHD, there is less ability to stop and think about the issues
A2: I have to think that forgetting what you need to do in the middle of doing it is frustrating. multistep directions.
"Necessity brings Invention" https://t.co/GCowRl758C
I like what you said about frustration leading to growth at times. So true.
A2 - kids with ADHD often understand what's expected of them, but struggle to juggle all the demands at once.
A2. Kids with ADHD can feel overwhelmed and feel emotions more strongly.
Q2 is associated with impulse control issues. As I understand it their fight/ flight instinct is easily activated too
A2 And also, ADHDers are more likely to get frustrated more often.
A2 And if you are hyper and/or have trouble focusing, more things are frustrating.
A2. Anxiety issues often associated with ADHD can contribute to low frustration tolerance.
but chronic frustration takes a big toll on self esteem.
True, and the more frustrated you get the more likely you are to escalate and then give up.
I seem to be missing questions too. . using iOS app.
A2 So, in sum: More frustration plus less impulse control plus lower confidence = KABOOM!
- yes, glad you brought up the fight/flight issue. so true.
A2: Particularly in a classroom w/traditional learners, it can be frustrating to struggle w/something and see peers do it easily.
Sure. It can be a vicious circle
A2 Kids with have trouble putting their frustration into words
Q3. How might language issues cause and ?
A2 and if you are gifted as well, it's just a bigger KABOOM!
e.g Me at 14 to teacher "I don't have to listen to you because I am smarter than you are"
A2: if you can't express your emotions in words, you find other ways.
A3 Kids with have a hard time verbalizing their
Words can be a weapon, as well.
A3: An inability to explain where the anger and/or frustration is coming from, and what support(s) may help alleviate it.
A3. Very often kids who can't express themselves verbally will act out due to frustration and anger
A3 If you can't express yourself, of course it leads to anger!
I think it hard 2 develop confidence wo experiencing fairly consistent success & unsupported seriously limits that
A3 On the other side, being gifted with words makes you good at using words as weapons
A3. Not being able to communicate with other kids - social issues crop up.
That is one reason to oppose mainstreaming
A3: Not being able to express oneself or advocate for needs would be a very frustrating experience.
A3 inability to make thoughts feelings needs wants understood has to be ultimate frustrator
- you just inspired a new chat topic, Peter!
A3 Because we are not UNDERSTOOD.
Behavior is a means of communicating. Sometimes that message is, "I'm frustrated!"
A3: Being misunderstood. Reaction to anger/frustration being misconstrued as rudeness, lack of appreciation and/or intelligence, etc
A3. It is SO important to recognize that Behavior is Communication
Peter, stay tuned in the coming weeks. We'll talk about classroom settings!
Q4. What are some ways parents can help their kids cope with ?
OKie dokie. I am a big fan of special schools.
A4. Love using children's literature to teach coping skills
A4. Watch TV shows together and discuss how others' behavior, pros and cons
Love that! Do you have favorite books?
A4: Pointing out early signs of frustration so the child can [hopefully] begin to recognize them and employ coping mechanisms.
A4. 1 of 2 Great question. I'm looking for that answer somethings we try are breaching things Dow to smaller steps do tasks together
A4: 1) Create a safe space 2) Encourage writing. 3) Note that frustration is reasonable.
A4 - It's great to listen to them and encourage them to voice their frustrations. Sometimes being heard is enough.
A4 I wrote a blog post called "A Safe Space" but I can't find it now
How to Say It: Respond When Grade-Schoolers with Learning and Attention Issues Are Frustrated: https://t.co/GbvTjLmZ0p
A4 2 of 2 visual prompt but always looking for more
A4 Note that everyone gets frustrated and that it's normal to do so
A4 Also, let the kid be angry. Anger is normal
A4 Let the kid see YOU get frustrated and angry and deal with it maturely
