#MASSPchat Archive
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Monday February 22, 2016
Welcome everyone to tonight! We are discussing an awesome topic - Motivation in Education!
Ben Mainka, Associate Director at MASSP moderating tonight. Please check in and introduce yourself this evening.
Remember, we follow the Q1/A1 format for our chat. Looking forward to tonight, so let’s get on with introductions!
Good evening! Steve Carlson, Principal at Sandusky Jr/Sr High School. Haven't read Drive yet but I've had it on my "list".
Erin Basgall - Inland Lakes School, Indian River, MI (shameless plug: we have an ELA teacher opening!)
Ryan Cayce, Principal of HS
Scott Pfeiffer, MS/HS Principal at Countryside Academy in Benton Harbor. Looking forwrad tonight's chat.
Hi everyone! Tammy Jackson~East Jordan Middle/High School
Welcome Erin! Hope you find a good colleague! IL is a neat place.
Steve, thanks for the shoutout today… very nice. You will love Drive, it is awesome!
Doug Leisenring, Superintendent of Delta Schoolcraft ISD - Driving down to Lansing on Wednesday morning before Snowmaggedon 2.0
Welcome from Clarkson Arina! So glad you could join us this evening!
Ryan, great to have represented here tonight!
Welcome Scott! Great to have someone from Benton Harbor with us!
Welcome Tammy! Excited about the warm weather?! :)
thanks again for your help! You and are great resources for principals w/ eval&obs questions
Denise Kott, K-12 Instructional Coach, Clawson
Wish you the best… Careful on your drive home! Thanks for joining us Doug!
Dan O'Connor 7-12 Principal/AD Alcona Community Schools
Hi, principles of MI! I am an MSU teacher ed student and I'm wondering what advice you have for motivating struggling students?
Glad you are with us Denise! Thank you for checking in again and being such a faithful participant!
Q1 to kick it off in just a snap… keep checking in!
I am staying in Lansing until Friday afternoon. Cleanup should be done by then. MAISA meeting at MELG on Thursday.
Dan… thank you for joining us at tonight. Glad to have you with us!
Q1: What techniques or strategies do you use in your professional life to motivate others in their work?
Good idea! Plows are going to be working hard on this one!
A1:share all new learning with others
A1 - I try to listen and act on requests when possible. Also try to have fun at work. Staff work better when they are having fun.
A1. 2 things - lead by example and celebrate successes of others
A1: I try to praise efforts over skills, try to show gratitude, try to make SHS a happy place to be https://t.co/OD3i6WShEQ
Q1: What techniques or strategies do you use in your professional life to motivate others in their work?
Awesome to have you with us tonight! Need to come see you and check in sometime!
A1 Modeling. Leaders lead by example. By showing enthusiasm & taking risks we can motivate others do the same.
A1 Affirmation, Recognition and Appreciation are the best motivators!
Great idea, this also keeps people realizing you are a learner as well… very important.
A1 Hire Well, co-create a common vision, be grateful, and get after it collectively
A1: As frequently as possible, I check in with Ss who need a little extra attention. Hopefully it helps.
A1: I've decided to focus on positivity for the rest of the year by exhibiting growth mindset behavior-I hope to influence others
A1 I try to lead by example and share my past mistakes. I want staff to know it's important to take chances & learn from failure.
Great Growth Mindset approach…Do you think the gratitude helps inspire continued efforts?
A1: Positive feedback and support. I try to check in personally with the teachers I coach once a week, this helps a lot!
BAM! Great add…. enthusiasm and passion can also be contagious!
Collaborative work and collegial relationships can move mountains. https://t.co/9hAiyLIgGt
A1 Hire Well, co-create a common vision, be grateful, and get after it collectively
hard to quantify but I do think so. Ppl want to be appreciated and affirmed so they feel reason to dig deep w/ effort
Affirmation of targeted specific practices is a great principle to follow in our field!
A1: Practicing growth mindset and rewarding risks are key pieces. We are lead learners so we must model this for students/adults.
Thank you for being with us RJ, great add. Co-creating a common vision helps build motivation from the outset!
Very true… certainly acknowledgement of their effort makes a big difference.
100% agree. If leaders are authentic it allows others to be authentic as well. https://t.co/lAwZ9chcn4
A1 I try to lead by example and share my past mistakes. I want staff to know it's important to take chances & learn from failure.
Q2 in the “hopper” and will be launched momentarily…
Being truly happy for someone's success is a great motivator. https://t.co/aWxxdupYNt
A1: Positive feedback and support. I try to check in personally with the teachers I coach once a week, this helps a lot!
Q2: How do you balance using "carrots" or "sticks" in the motivation of others? Which is more effective?
I think this is the answer to almost every question. https://t.co/4bFIA8sCJc
A1 Hire Well, co-create a common vision, be grateful, and get after it collectively
Transparency and humility draws people in… so true.
Getting the right people on the bus makes the ride so much more pleasant and manageable! https://t.co/v3g22UuYV3
I think this is the answer to almost every question. https://t.co/4bFIA8sCJc
A1 Hire Well, co-create a common vision, be grateful, and get after it collectively
A2: Anything loses its "magic" if used too much. I have to switch up carrots and sticks. Wish I was more creative.
A2: Carrots more than sticks, but I think best motivation is a shared vision and celebrating small steps https://t.co/ROOBNlobOZ
Q2: How do you balance using "carrots" or "sticks" in the motivation of others? Which is more effective?
A2 - I find most true professionals prefer carrots. I try to build positive relationships so I hope I can avoid using sticks.
A2 maybe not carrots and sticks, but choices and consequences. Free will should always be present.
fear motivates me more than rewards, but as a leader I think it's better to use carrots. https://t.co/0xPiDLTjw7
Q2: How do you balance using "carrots" or "sticks" in the motivation of others? Which is more effective?
Pink would say that they are tools and not a long-term solution… balance is important.
A2. Covey says to use the carrot to acknowledge others who compete tasks. Ts who didn't automatically know who they are.
Great point… what kind of building do we want… one of fear or of motivation and collaboration!?
https://t.co/IQKtUWQmXD
fear motivates me more than rewards, but as a leader I think it's better to use carrots. https://t.co/0xPiDLTjw7
Q2: How do you balance using "carrots" or "sticks" in the motivation of others? Which is more effective?
A2 Using sticks can make for tough conversations. I find it best to remain calm, speak about the facts and try to stay on point.
A2. If your expectations are clear you will rarely need your stick. If you're leadership is shared you will rarely need a carrot.
I agree about being authenticity. Authentic professionals leads to trust among colleagues as well!
Every choice has a consequence… important for our children to be taught this explicitly. https://t.co/8mDWVjgfrn
A2 maybe not carrots and sticks, but choices and consequences. Free will should always be present.
A2:I like the pied piper approach
A2: Neither are effective in building intrinsic motivation and change that has fidelity. When people und why no c&s necessary
BAM! Staying calm is key… take time to decompress. Meaningful inspiration rarely comes from the stick. https://t.co/8Zqk5sL0vd
A2 Using sticks can make for tough conversations. I find it best to remain calm, speak about the facts and try to stay on point.
Fear cannot be a positive motivator. Eventually, professionals have to reach internal motivation. https://t.co/73RkI330JR
fear motivates me more than rewards, but as a leader I think it's better to use carrots. https://t.co/0xPiDLTjw7
Q2: How do you balance using "carrots" or "sticks" in the motivation of others? Which is more effective?
A2: I'm a carrot type person.
A2: I had a leader once who was a master at using carrots, but said once, “Don’t mistake my kindness for weakness"
Q3 is a good way to tie up Q2…. coming in a second.
Yes! Motivation should be internal. External push is only good for a time-being. https://t.co/6sUnREDy1a
A2: Neither are effective in building intrinsic motivation and change that has fidelity. When people und why no c&s necessary
When needed helping people see how their actions have affected their relationships with peers is very effective.
Pink argues that "carrots or sticks" do not work for motivating people in a deep way over time. Do you agree? Why or why not?
Q3: Pink argues that "carrots or sticks" do not work for motivating people in a deep way over time. Do you agree? Why or why not?
sticks encourage compliance through FEAR
A3:Makes sense intuitively. 2 reach highest levels ppl must invest 4 sake of improvement or greater good https://t.co/5NEwgAJji0
Pink argues that "carrots or sticks" do not work for motivating people in a deep way over time. Do you agree? Why or why not?
A3 I think U need carrots at 1st when you are building trust & capacity but I agree with Pink, you shouldn't need them over time
A3. Some truth to that...something about leading a horse to water, right?
Well pink says that C&S negatively impact non-linear thinking and that has been proven through research.
BAM! Not the long-term environment you want to create. https://t.co/hqcITkzjUR
sticks encourage compliance through FEAR
A3: Pink says that C&S are only effective when tasks are linear and have negative impact with task requires nonlinear thinking.
A3: Honest feedback reflection is more beneficial than carrots and sticks for long term growth.
Absolutely. Human beings become immune to external factors. Real motivation is deeply personal. https://t.co/mxtpUhE87q
Pink argues that "carrots or sticks" do not work for motivating people in a deep way over time. Do you agree? Why or why not?
A3: I feel like we should be confident in our work but always have a growth mindset.
So true… this is why deep coaching and relationship-building skills for administrators are critical! https://t.co/a076Zjw1Bx
A3: Honest feedback reflection is more beneficial than carrots and sticks for long term growth.
A3: Teaching requires non-linear, complex thinking and therefore would probably be negatively impacted by direct C&S
ownership motivates. Staffs should feel an important part of the system. https://t.co/8IcV8sUStk
Q3: Pink argues that "carrots or sticks" do not work for motivating people in a deep way over time. Do you agree? Why or why not?
A3 Hire Well J Collins believes we have a huge advantage in the public sector to hire people intrinsically motivated by the work
Q1: I model, I share & I support. https://t.co/V3k95oA1H1
Q1: What techniques or strategies do you use in your professional life to motivate others in their work?
Find the people who want to ride the bus with you! - Good to Great! https://t.co/u7USlIdMY6
A3 Hire Well J Collins believes we have a huge advantage in the public sector to hire people intrinsically motivated by the work
Q4 deals with autonomy and is on it’s way shortly…
Thinking outside of a given pattern requires intrinsic motivation. Creativity is personal. https://t.co/duwxO6OB1w
A3: Pink says that C&S are only effective when tasks are linear and have negative impact with task requires nonlinear thinking.
Q4: How does autonomy play into the motivation of others? Do Ts respond well to more or less autonomy? Why or why not?
A4. It's got to be a balance. Ts need time to learn and grow to gain confidence. It's still good to shake the tree though.
A4: If the T and I are on the same page (vision, details), I love giving them autonomy. It's fun to watch them set up and go!
A4: People require autonomy to be motivated. Gradual release of control with scaffolding and supports let's Ts do the right work
Balance is very important!
BAM to that! https://t.co/zn1A1UW9e9
A3 Hire Well J Collins believes we have a huge advantage in the public sector to hire people intrinsically motivated by the work
A4: Depends. Some worry about being micro-managed but others seek more guidance. Have to differentiate. https://t.co/UDWXMCqbfl
Q4: How does autonomy play into the motivation of others? Do Ts respond well to more or less autonomy? Why or why not?
This is a hilarious tweet! You obviously did not know she was such an expert on motivation! https://t.co/Z73oQtdstv
A4 T'S need to feel like what they believe matters. You can't function genuinely outside of your beliefs.
A4: People can have autonomy over time, technique, and task.If you can't give them autonomy over at least one, not the right hire
A4 People need both space & direction. With collaboration & shared vision, autonomy is desirable. It builds agency
A4: Some Ts are very uncomfortable with too much autonomy… it can create an interesting relationship with a collaborative leader!
Q5 deals with giving autonomy and balancing standardization…
A4: When people need direction decisions can be made as a team with their input. Direction shouldn't mean orders but conversation
A4 I have no doubt T's like more autonomy but that only works when I have done a good job establishing trust and a common vision
Q5: How do you strike a healthy balance between autonomy and consistency (standardization) in a school/district?
BAM! There has to be balance… you cannot have a free for all,but love to give autonomy whenever possible! https://t.co/LNOMI0FFcA
A4 I have no doubt T's like more autonomy but that only works when I have done a good job establishing trust and a common vision
A5: IMO, align cur maps, help teams/grade levels plan together with the autonomy they need and ind Ts adapt for their classrooms
A5 If the expectation is clear teachers can meet it with autonomy. The expectation is the consistency. https://t.co/ksikjtB3Z8
Q5: How do you strike a healthy balance between autonomy and consistency (standardization) in a school/district?
A5 A shared vision gives stability in the direction; flexibility in practices gives autonomy in implementation.
A5: SHS focus on S Engmnt. Show several strategies to Tsbut encourage Ts to find what work best for them https://t.co/fPxpORJTiW
Q5: How do you strike a healthy balance between autonomy and consistency (standardization) in a school/district?
I love this. Such is true in the classroom right!?
https://t.co/WvPr4Js7pc
A5 If the expectation is clear teachers can meet it with autonomy. The expectation is the consistency. https://t.co/ksikjtB3Z8
Q5: How do you strike a healthy balance between autonomy and consistency (standardization) in a school/district?
A5: Curriculum alignment, common assessments and the trust in our teachers as professionals.
Q6: How is purpose important to motivation? How can an educator help a student or teacher find purpose in their work?
Q6 is it for tonight… lets finish strong… it has been great so far tonight!
A6: If we understand our purpose there's no mountain high enough to keep us from getting to our goals.
A6: Gone are the days of blind compliance. Purpose is what sets learning in motion.
A6: When they're struggling ask them why they want to accomplish the task. Help them talk through it. Figure out why or abandon.
BAM! That is an awesome way to approach things…. always get to the purpose and the “why”!
Q from a T to admins: If teachers are not provided with autonomy how can they be expected to provide autonomy to Ss?
A6: The last few weeks I have been reminded- if you know "the why," "the what" and "how" make more sense and aren't as difficult.
A6: Create a shared vision & affirm positive efforts. Build capacity in others. Network ppl w/ same goals https://t.co/VjttWCIl0Z
Q6: How is purpose important to motivation? How can an educator help a student or teacher find purpose in their work?
You all have done such an awesome job tonight! Those you influence are lucky to have you. Keep inspiring and motivating!
A6 Purpose drives motivation for staff and students. I think you have to listen to them when making decisions to develop purpose
