@A_Weatherall appears to have disappeared, so meanwhile lets get #ASEChat started with a question asked by DfE in their latest consultation 'Should there be an extended induction period with QTS awarded after two years'?
@A_Weatherall appears to have disappeared, so meanwhile lets get #ASEChat started with a question asked by DfE in their latest consultation 'Should there be an extended induction period with QTS awarded after two years'?
@A_Weatherall appears to have disappeared, so meanwhile lets get #ASEChat started with a question asked by DfE in their latest consultation 'Should there be an extended induction period with QTS awarded after two years'?
I'm not sure about an induction period, however I like the idea of doing a training course over a 2 year period with key milestones that need completing, I'm not sure how it would be funded however #asechat
The provision at every point in this consultation is that the decisions are properly funded #asechat "if you pay peanuts you get monkeys” @educationgovuk
#asechat interesting Arkansa in US have a 3 year new teacher/ mentor programme with key milestones , tasks etc for both newbie and mentor to complete. Paid for by industry
In reply to
@teacherchalky1, @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
please can we refer to it as Initial teacher education not training! ITE not ITT - #asechat sorry to be pedantic but subtle difference is important imo
I think it takes more like six years to get your head round teaching, but perhaps if your timetable was lighter you’d be able to reflect more and get better faster? #asechat
I think many people believe it takes 5+ yrs to become fully effective - and possibly the reason why the cpd and QTS proposals are being discussed together #ASEChat
I think it takes more like six years to get your head round teaching, but perhaps if your timetable was lighter you’d be able to reflect more and get better faster? #asechat
The question about how any of this could be managed remains. Would need to be a gradual roll out. What sort of sabbaticals would a science teacher desire? #asechat
DfE consultation looks at developing the mentor role, which would suit those in that position. After 6 years most mentors have other responsibilities and not always the time #asechat
This is my feeling - a slower ramp up during NQT (over 2 years) in timetable allocation would lead to better outcomes. Perhaps a crossover model. ITE 1-yr : ITE provider supported NQT year - in job; Final NQT year.
We have to push for an entitlement to both PD and mentor time, for both the mentor and the mentee #asechat should there be a qualification associated with mentor role?
DfE consultation looks at developing the mentor role, which would suit those in that position. After 6 years most mentors have other responsibilities and not always the time #asechat
not ignoring you Helen - just finding it difficult to answer properly on twitter! praps shouldn't have said it if I cant fit argument into 280!! #asechat
if we want better outcomes, including higher retention, we have to provide the resources to do it. Time £££. Shouldn’t forget about the established teachers too #asechat CPD
No qualification for mentors. What if the person with the qualification left? Need to be able to pass the mentor role over. Or someone who doesn’t have the qualification might suit the mentee better? #asechat
You'd need to have that by the end of your first year, then spend the 2nd year focusing of pedagogy, trying a range of things, working in more schools. Focusing on A level knowledge in the 2nd year is important #asechat
I realise I'm on the problems here while @ViciaScience & @NeedhamL56 want to know what we'd want from secondments and CPD but let's get real. Time and money are both at a real squeeze at the moment - secondments require temporary replacements -
how feasible is that? #asechat
The bursary is a resource spent on education - I think it could be better spent in other ways - eg mentor training and reduced timetable for mentor / initial teacher post #asechat
No qualification for mentors. What if the person with the qualification left? Need to be able to pass the mentor role over. Or someone who doesn’t have the qualification might suit the mentee better? #asechat
Definitely agree. It was a mistake when @NickGibbUK first announced it 7 years ago and it's a mistake to keep trying. The older model was more successful. #asechat
In reply to
@ViciaScience, @SteveTeachPhys, @NickGibbUK
so would you agree with a second DfE proposal 'Development of a structured early career content framework setting out what all teachers need to know and areas for development' #ASEchat
I think it depends on how much the school value the mentor role. If they are prepared to reduce TT to aid Mentoring then workload is maybe not too high #asechat
Definitely at the moment. the transition to new arrangements would need some careful thinking. Shouldn’t dismiss it because it wouldn’t work right now #vision#asechat
I think it depends on how much the school value the mentor role. If they are prepared to reduce TT to aid Mentoring then workload is maybe not too high #asechat
Yes, but who gets to go first? The old timers - the people about to try for UPS? #asechat Retention improved? Or would secondment lead to an exodus to other things like education research? :)
In reply to
@ViciaScience, @hrogerson, @NeedhamL56
Could build on all this research school stuff.. do some action research about something thats puzzling you about science learning?
Or go on an extended field trip :) #asechat
Works great for me, much more effective than the year I took out full time... I would like an army of people like me working across the school/HE transition #asechat
Something about how to choose and adapt suitable resources to support learning would be useful for lots of the new teachers I meet #asechat (also potentially how to write questions to elucidate understanding)
CPD must be embedded thoughtfully into our working practice. It's too often seen as an add-on and generally happens when we're shattered after a 5 period day when we're not at our best nor most responsive. #asechat
What models of school based CPD have you seen that you think would work well across the system? Is CPD for PCK for science able to be provided by the same system as PCK for English? Do we have special CPD needs? #asechat
I think that is the nub of the consultation. There needs to be a cultural shift for this to happen, and teachers need to be seen as professionals with entitlements #ASEChat Pleased govt is consulting on it
But we've come up with very few ideas about what we need? Perhaps we need a little more time - if only I'd checked the timetable - we could have prefuelled this chat. My BAD! #asechat
Developing Great Teaching report suggests that subject specific CPD is needed https://t.co/wH1PQiNgJk I think Alex is right though science is a special needs subject #ASEchat
But we've come up with very few ideas about what we need? Perhaps we need a little more time - if only I'd checked the timetable - we could have prefuelled this chat. My BAD! #asechat
Take your point - we have GP trainees I suppose, what do you call a trainee lawyer or barrister? trainee architects? language issue as much as anything I spose #asechat
As in for a wide scheme the volume of secondments available would be quite significant. At the moment you have to be the right person in the right place and/or have the right contact and be interested #asechat
Right we've got 15 minutes left - we want ideas people:
What works well in CPD right now?
What do you want / need from science CPD?
What would you do with a year out of teaching.
HIT ME! #asechat
Take your point - we have GP trainees I suppose, what do you call a trainee lawyer or barrister? trainee architects? language issue as much as anything I spose #asechat
In a bygone era, primary teachers were seconded to support a specific subject in their area. We had a pair of great science seconds in Calderdale LEA #asechat
I honestly think time to produce well thought out and professional resources working with subject specific experts and experts in assessment would be a fantastic opportunity #asechat
Consultation is asking qs about extending the range of NPQs available. Should there be a subject specific NPQ? Or should these just be for the Leadership route? #ASEchat
I honestly think time to produce well thought out and professional resources working with subject specific experts and experts in assessment would be a fantastic opportunity #asechat
Not just time, but support and collaboration also important. Several working on one project often develop a synergy missing when working alone #ASEchat
I honestly think time to produce well thought out and professional resources working with subject specific experts and experts in assessment would be a fantastic opportunity #asechat
Not just time, but support and collaboration also important. Several working on one project often develop a synergy missing when working alone #ASEchat
I hope that the @educationgovuk notice that there are some existing professional chartered registers already, and build on this expertise CSciTeach #asechat RegScientist
There are opportunities for teachers to work with publishers and other organisations. I’ve started having consultants work in pairs on project as better for everyone all round #asechat
