#SwDMathChat Archive


Thursday January 25, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Jan 25 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #SwDMathChat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/2gl5JhlFuX
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight's #SwDMathChat! Topic: How to know what your Ss know. First, let's introduce ourselves. Please share your name, region, and what you teach
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Ann in Jakarta, Indonesia teaching HS Learning Support and Math #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Hi Ann! Always nice to see you :) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
    I'm Jen from just outside Boston, MA. I teach Ss with LBLD. #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
    #SwDMathChat
    • 1pmorris Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
      Peter, Head of Lower School Math, Carroll School in MA
      In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Thanks, Jen! Always happy when my schedule allows me to join! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Jeremy, parent in Connecticut. May have to be in and out but will check in as I'm observing my third grader's class Monday to see how she's handling struggles in math. #SWDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:04 PM EST
    We are too! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Hi! My name is Kirsten and I am an inclusion special education teacher working with 3rd & K in Florida. #SwDmathchat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:06 PM EST
    First question! Thinking about assessment... What is the difference between remembering and learning? #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Welcome Kirsten! I'm glad you could make it! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Hi Jeremy! Glad to have you for whatever part we can have :) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond
  • Dale_Chu Jan 25 @ 9:07 PM EST
    HAPPENING NOW: @jennifuhs4 moderating a chat on how to know what your students know. Follow along at #SwDMathChat!
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Kristin, here. From Maryland and work with special education students placed in out of county non-publics #swdmathchat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Hi Kristin! Glad to have you. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @kncaton
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Q1: Learning means a student can teach the skill to others on their own, remembering means they have some (not necessarily entire) recall of the skill/fact/etc. #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:09 PM EST
    First question is live! Don't forget the #SwDMathChat hash tag!
    • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:06 PM EST
      First question! Thinking about assessment... What is the difference between remembering and learning? #SwDMathChat
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1 I see remembering as a process of recalling info from memory. Learning involves the ability to use/apply/do something with that info #SwDMathChat
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1. Remembering = repeating information; learning = applying information #swdmathchat
  • 1pmorris Jan 25 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Learning can be transferred and applied to different contexts #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:11 PM EST
    How do you support Ss who struggle to communicate what they know to others? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Thanks for facilitating. Been a while since I participated in a chat. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Bedtime routine now. May follow up after. ;) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Q2: How do our current assessment practices enhance or kill student motivation? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM EST
    This year, most of my students have strong verbal communication skills; I think communication doesn't have to be verbal. Can they draw a picture, make a video, etc? #udl #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Please engage in the chat later, if you feel inspired! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM EST
    We are glad to have you! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @kncaton
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Yes. I'm squeezing in 20 minutes during teeth brushing and reading.#SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Love it. We use explain everything and other screencasting tools to help with this. I also tell my students explanations can be with math and they don't have to write essays :) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A2 Well-designed, accessible assessments allow Ss to show what they know. Poorly design assessments frustrate and discourage student learning #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Could you say more about this? I totally agree. I think it would be useful to understand what it can look like #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2: It is a tough balancing act. Over-assessing, & giving assessments that are not aligned with recent instruction leave Ss feeling frustrated and disliking school. #SwDMathChat
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2. Feedback can kill or inspire learning. Allowing Ss to reflect on mistakes wo feeling defeated. #swdmathchat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
    THIS! #SwDMathChat
    • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
      A2. Feedback can kill or inspire learning. Allowing Ss to reflect on mistakes wo feeling defeated. #swdmathchat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:17 PM EST
    This is so important. #SwDMathChat
    • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:16 PM EST
      A2. Feedback can kill or inspire learning. Allowing Ss to reflect on mistakes wo feeling defeated. #swdmathchat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Q3: What would be different if our assessment practices supported risk taking & productive failure in our day to day classroom? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Well said! So many assessments I see are not easily accessible to my students. I struggle to keep fidelity to know what my Ss know, while also making sure they have a fair chance to show their knowledge. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Poorly designed could be wording that confuses kids, unnecessarily obscure problems with #s that don't make sense in the "real world" context, etc... #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Or even redundant questions that require minimal thought, effort, and appear to have no value in their life. So true! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A3: I think my Ss would feel more motivation and less anxious when trying to figure it out. Many of my Ss shutdown early on because they already feel defeated. #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Can we design challenging problems that promote a struggle without defeating our Ss? What would that look like? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Yes! Here's an example of a problem that made me scream in my head... #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM EST
    We sometimes use CGI at my school. By allowing Ss to answer questions without a specific strategy for answering, students feel empowered to attack the problems creatively in a safe way. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Yes, the quantity can be frustrating. That alignment of instruction and assessment can be powerful for planning next steps. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Just the spacing in that problem and how overly wordy it is makes me crazy! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Q3: @TracyZager posted this example earlier today. #SwDMathChat
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:23 PM EST
    I know, right!? And who refers to $ in terms of fractions...$3/16?? #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Crazy thing about how many teachers interpret the common core is they think Ss need to master all strategies and approaches rather than find the one that makes sense to them. SMH #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I'm going to start today! :P #SwDMathChat Soooo not relevant
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Just battled this two weeks ago with my students. They were so frustrated! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4, @TracyZager
  • kncaton Jan 25 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A3. Rich discussions and multi ways of solving problems. #swdmathchat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Q4: How do we assess students’ mathematical intuition? How do we share this with parents, students, and future teachers? How can we “track” it? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A4: Also why I like CGI when we do it! Celebrates students showing their ways of solving problems - no matter the strategy! #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:29 PM EST
    How do you share this with Ss? Ps? Do you have parent conferences? We never have enough time to truly get deep into student understanding and Ps default to test scores #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A4: #noticewonder #samediffmath are great tools, but when do we get to share this with parents to show what their kids know? How do we effectively communicate this? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:31 PM EST
    We unfortunately don't really share with parents. At the end of each CGI problem, Ts pick 3 responses to share & chart. These are displayed in classrooms w. S names. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I'm constantly looking for how to share this and not focus on the grades and test scores. I also try to have these types of Qs mixed into assessment #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Relevant question in the chat now. Q5: How do we communicate our assessment purposes to learners? How do we involve them in a discussion of the results? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A5: 1/2 I constantly try to frame assessments as, "This tells us what you know how to do, & what you still need help with, so give it your best effort." #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Also, SHOULD students be involved in the discussions? Why or why not? #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A5: 2/2 I think it's important to show students their results, and review the problems so they can learn fro their mistakes. #easiersaidthandone #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:38 PM EST
    I find myself trying to pick the parts of the problem that they did well on. I try to seperate answers into computational, procedural, or mechanical errors #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:38 PM EST
    I also use this process as an opportunity to celebrate the process of making mistakes and learning from them #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I think this is also a tough balancing act. Yes, they need to know what is challenging for them, but they also need things presented in a way that helps them to grow! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:39 PM EST
    As a HS teacher especially, I always like to include students in discussions about their learning. They are the ones who should be responsible for their growth and reflection #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Checking in again—I’m curious too as a parent. Test scores don’t always give me insight into level of understanding. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4, @Miss_Beyer
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Yes! That helps the feedback to be framed more positively. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:41 PM EST
    They definitely don't. I think you need to push for work samples & ask your child to explain their thinking. Then you have a deeper understanding of what your child understands. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Great point. I am always looking for how to show parents the amazing problems their students solve daily and the challenges that they are able to push through. I find online portfolios help, but are not complete! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:42 PM EST
    If only there were enough hours in the day! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer, @JeremyDBond
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I’ll be curious to see modeling of this in class. Hard to pull much out of our kid at home. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer, @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:43 PM EST
    BONUS QUESTION! Q6a: Are we assessing our kids too much? ...or should we be constantly assessing Ss (just not with written tests) #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:44 PM EST
    MS parent? It's the same for my MS students!! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @Miss_Beyer
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A6a I believe in constant low stakes formative assessment and opportunities for Ss and Ts to see learning in action, but I do worry about too much "sit and write for 60 min" testing. #SwDMathChat
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:45 PM EST
    I think wording is key. "Tell me about how you got your answer." "Can you explain your strategy?" "Why is ____ step important?" #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:46 PM EST
    This is why explain everything is amazing. I like to share these with parents when I can #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @Miss_Beyer, @JeremyDBond
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Last question of the night. Q7: What are some of your favorite tools for assessment and why? Be specific! Share ANY tools you like. :) #SwDMathChat
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Actually, yes, have an 8th grader, but here more for our 3rd grader. 8th grader wants help sometimes, I often can’t, but she’s conscientious and isn’t too bothered. 3rd grader is not into doing homework at all. (Whether it’s useful is another chat.) #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4, @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:51 PM EST
    That would be a GREAT topic for this chat. @bkdidact take notes! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @Miss_Beyer, @bkdidact
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A7: My school gives 1-2Q daily exit tickets. They are NOT always graded. Gives a good understanding of where the understanding breaks down instead of 5 lessons later. #SwDMathChat
  • JeremyDBond Jan 25 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Thanks. Logical questions—I just get a lot of shrugs. Because she’s often guessing (and thus incorrect, at least mathematically). #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @jennifuhs4, @Miss_Beyer
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I use #samediffmath #NoticeWonder explain everything, kahoot, quizizz, exit tickets #SwDMathChat
  • anndurham13 Jan 25 @ 9:54 PM EST
    A7 For quick formative assessment nothing beats vertical whiteboards! Allows you to see S work quickly and allows them to make mistakes and adjust easily #SwDMathChat
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Do you take pictures of their work? I love vertical white boards. #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @anndurham13
  • Miss_Beyer Jan 25 @ 9:55 PM EST
    That is hard! Kudos to you for joining educators & advocating for her. Curious to hear what you learn after observing her class! #SwDMathChat
    In reply to @JeremyDBond, @jennifuhs4
  • jennifuhs4 Jan 25 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A7: I have also been staging debates with sometimes, always, or never statements or problems #SwDMathChat