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bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:00 PM EST

You ready #mnlead ers? Let's do this! We will use the traditional format of Q1/A1 for tonight’s questions.

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:00 PM EST

#mnlead Welcome all! Tonight we talk about a passion of mine... Grading! Introduce yourself & say what grades mean to you in 5 words or less

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:00 PM EST

@thorsonx5 I use tweetdeck and search #mnlead https://t.co/8OD5NCEVqX

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 7:57 PM EST

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RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:01 PM EST

Latest fr #4OCF Choosing the Right Activity for your Classroom https://t.co/eV1OL9tVBl #mnlead https://t.co/wdrYOEGzxZ

TaraLAderman Dec 13 @ 8:01 PM EST

#mnlead Hi! K-8 Principal from CA. Glad to join tonight! Grades=communication

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:01 PM EST

Hi all, Bret, elementary principal from Lakeville, MN. Excited to get this grading discussion going. Want to hear ideas. #mnlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:01 PM EST

Becky, math teacher from Luverne. Communication for Ss current understanding #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:01 PM EST

Amy Cook from Luverne, MN! Grades mean: "What students learned/know!" #mnlead

RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:02 PM EST

Rich, joining from NJ/PA. Report Cards=One measure of progress. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:02 PM EST

#mnlead I will post the 1st Q at about 7:10. While ppl get logged in introduce yourself & say what grades mean to you in 5 words or less

TaraLAderman Dec 13 @ 8:02 PM EST

#mnlead Happy to join in tonight! Grades= Communication

txeduchat Dec 13 @ 8:02 PM EST

We are one hour away from #txeduchat with @CoburnCori hosting! You don't want to miss BEYOND THE HOUR OF CODE! #mnlead #21stedchat

KevinSayerska Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

Hello. Kevin Sayers. Lakeville, MN as well. I too am excited to learn from great colleagues. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

Hey #mnlead Let's meet in person on Tuesday at #ties15 at 1:55. Let's take our learning to the next level.

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

@TaraLAderman Hi Tara! Thanks for joining tonight. Glad to have you. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

Matt Carlstrom - DRHS - Been teaching with @KarenTeff for many moons. Grading: Measurement, Tool, Not Final, Growth #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

@KevinSayerska Welcome aboard Kevin! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

@ACook_FACS Hi Amy, Great to have you back. Always look forward to your contributions. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

For the next hour, my tweets will be focused to #PLN friends on #MNlead Tonight discussion topic; Grades - come join us!

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

Chris, MS Principal from Farmington, MN. I'll get after it by saying typically, "grades" tell us very little. #mnlead

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:03 PM EST

#mnlead, Sue Akre, G = represents learning of a standard

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:04 PM EST

@beckyrahm Hi Becky. Thanks for coming back. Nice to have you. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:04 PM EST

For the next 57 Minutes My Tweets will be devoted to the always stimulating Growth Opportunity #mnlead discussion!

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:04 PM EST

@bretdom thanks! I learn so much for this awesome group! I hate missing it! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:04 PM EST

@KevinSayerska Hey Kevin. Cool tweets about #hourofcode this week. So awesome seeing that student work. #mnlead

KarinHogen Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

Karin. I use IB rubrics and standards as much as possible for grading #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

@SueAkre Welcome aboard Sue! Water’s warm! Looking forward to your sharing of wisdom! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

@robert_schuetz Hey Robert. Great having you as always. Thanks for the #mnlead retweets too.

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

Beth Humbert, High School teacher at Farmington High School. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

Jenny Huling from Farmington representing Rosemount-Apple Valley-Eagan. Gs can be information, avoid judgement. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

@JWPBulldog im lurking #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

@BethHumbert Good Evening Beth! Welcome! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

@KarinHogen Hey Karin! You excited for #Ties15? Good to have you here. #mnlead

KevinSayerska Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

Thanks. Our Google Hangout went very well with 3 Elementary Schools within @ISD196schools #mnlead https://t.co/ZdqEXYwION

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:04 PM EST

@KevinSayerska Hey Kevin. Cool tweets about #hourofcode this week. So awesome seeing that student work. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

Grades are feedback towards mastery #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

#mnlead Join the conversation about grading! 1st question in 5 minutes!

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:05 PM EST

John W, edu researcher/grant writer/consultant from Clovis, CA. #mnlead

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:06 PM EST

Jackie from Lakeville... Very interested in education policy - effective communication is essential. #MNlead https://t.co/3DB3ImmIBm

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 7:51 PM EST

T minus ten minutes until #mnlead blast off. Check out the questions here: https://t.co/1hmTBqjnNF Let's talk grading practices 7CST.

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:06 PM EST

@bretdom Great to be here. Definitely a topic I'm passionate about. And @ACook_FACS reminded me. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:06 PM EST

#mnlead Fill in the blank: Grading means: __________

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:07 PM EST

@JennyHuling Hi Jenny! After #Ties15 we're going to have to start talking about #edcamptc :) #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:07 PM EST

@jwalkup Welcome John! Must be nice doing this discussion at 5! ;-) #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:07 PM EST

@jwalkup Hi John! Thanks for joining #mnlead tonight.

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:07 PM EST

@bretdom Happy to be here! Terrific community - interesting topic tonight! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:08 PM EST

Fill in the blank: Grading means: __________ @karenteff #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:08 PM EST

A1) Grading means: A dialogue between S’s and T’s. An opportunity for Growth, Evaluation and Reflection. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:08 PM EST

Looking forward to meeting some of you at #ties15 tomorrow!! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:09 PM EST

If you have time on Tuesday, stop by the #mnlead tweet up at 1:55 at #ties15 @BethHumbert

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:09 PM EST

Grades mean an opportunity to communicate. It is up to us what we want to communicate. Conversation brings clarity to the meaning. #mnlead

clmaxa Dec 13 @ 8:09 PM EST

Chad Maxa, from Intermediate District 287. Grades should = frequent, formative feedback. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:09 PM EST

Grading means “communicating level of mastery or compliance for purposes of growth” #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:09 PM EST

Q1 Fill in the blank: Grading means: __________ @karenteff #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

Grading means: Evaluating what a student knows. Identifying gaps that need to be filled. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

Here we go #mnlead Q1: Please explain your policy on EC or for non-academic items that are counted towards a grade.

KevinSayerska Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

Grading means: compliance set forth by norms #mnlead https://t.co/4tRfWw9SOv

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:08 PM EST

Fill in the blank: Grading means: __________ @karenteff #mnlead

KarinHogen Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

A1: Grading is expected by most parties, but can be made useful by innovative Ts and flexible Ss! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

A1 Grading means: Giving S's an opportunity to know where they are in the learning process. Are they meeting the standard? #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

Mike Berding: Janesville Waldorf Pemberton, MN. Tech, Staff Dev, and Curr Coord. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:11 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR Reflection is the key. The more everyone reflects, the more it becomes less about the grade on the paper. #mnlead

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:11 PM EST

Grading can be a useful way to communicate progress Ss make toward education goals - easy to misinterpret. #MNlead https://t.co/3MOSLLGmRG

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:08 PM EST

Fill in the blank: Grading means: __________ @karenteff #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:11 PM EST

A1 More philosophy than policy, EC shouldn't exist, & grade should communicate academic progress only. #MNlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:11 PM EST

A1 No EC allowed. Grade integrity is so important. Ss want their grade higher show they know more math #mnlead https://t.co/xzyZfDwOqd

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:10 PM EST

Here we go #mnlead Q1: Please explain your policy on EC or for non-academic items that are counted towards a grade.

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

Q1: Please explain your policy on EC or for non-academic items that are counted towards a grade. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

A1: Year one of no EC or extras in the grade! Grades only shows their current level in my classroom! #mnlead

TaraLAderman Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

A1 #mnlead Our school - No EC, HW, or effort/participation in grades.

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

@robert_schuetz I agree. I want students to use their grade to show where they are academically, not if they brought in kleenex's. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

Exactly! Why did it take my 5 years to figure that out?!? #mnlead https://t.co/kWrn2nwExW

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:11 PM EST

A1 More philosophy than policy, EC shouldn't exist, & grade should communicate academic progress only. #MNlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:12 PM EST

#mnlead Q1: Please explain your policy on EC or for non-academic items that are counted towards a grade.

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1)I don’t allow for Extra Credit… S’s should b focused on showing what they No/Can do… And I shld b providing plenty of O’s 4 that. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1 Extra credit doesn't mean anything anymore. Too teacher centered. Demonstrate your learning, not the hoops you jumped through. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1) Extra Credit teaches the wrong lesson - I can not learn the material and still get the grade I want. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1: No EC. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:13 PM EST

@TaraLAderman YES - I wish more schools followed your policies! #mnlead

KarinHogen Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

A1: no EC ever. No grading non-academic items, ever. Pretty simple policy. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

@TaraLAderman I would love to get rid of homework grades. They don't show what a student knows! #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

A1.2: E.C. promotes point chasing. Allow retakes on demonstrating mastery of essential content. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

EC Creates the idea that students can get away with not mastering content #mnlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

#mnlead https://t.co/PXFyNh4QbG

hmbeau5 Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

#mnlead A-1 Grades should be a reflection of what students know and are able to apply.

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:15 PM EST

#mnlead Ss elicit evidence of what they know and are able to do (standards)

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:15 PM EST

A1.1 Observations, Many Ss apathetic, or over conscientious about grades. We need consistency w/ how they're applied, if used at all #MNlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:15 PM EST

@bretdom Wow! I hadnt thought abt it being T centered. Why create more work 4 myself & S’s when they should B keeping up with class #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:15 PM EST

@chris_bussmann I agree. I always tell students that retakes are my version of extra credit! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@chris_bussmann Retakes honor process rather than end. If you don't know it, try again. I won't let you off w an F just to be done. #mnlead

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

#mnlead - application the holy grail of education :) https://t.co/QJxbgWhbD2

hmbeau5 Dec 13 @ 8:14 PM EST

#mnlead A-1 Grades should be a reflection of what students know and are able to apply.

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@TaraLAderman bring all stakeholder into the conversation - some bumps, but it will smooth out. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

A1) Standards based grading is about reflecting with Ss where they are in regards to their understanding of standards. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

#mnlead: along w/Q1: what about adding non-academic things to grades such as effort?

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@JennyHuling WITH students is so important. Teachers need to help them reflect!! #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@KarenTeff @bretdom Why create more work 4 myself & S’s when they should B keeping up with class #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

@KarenTeff @mcarlstromDR Here is the rubric or standard. This is how a grade is based. I know we have work to do on ours. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

No one who tries should get an F. #mnlead https://t.co/D1guukgKcu

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@chris_bussmann Retakes honor process rather than end. If you don't know it, try again. I won't let you off w an F just to be done. #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

Kind of like being a swimming instructor. Retakes are essential. Failure is not an option. #mnlead https://t.co/EFwCOSwl9K

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

@chris_bussmann Retakes honor process rather than end. If you don't know it, try again. I won't let you off w an F just to be done. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

@TaraLAderman Have you gotten students to understand the value of homework/practice without points attached to them? #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

A1: Joining you briefly from Denver. Grades, if you have to give them should ONLY reflect a student's progress toward mastery. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST

@BethHumbert It helps us reflect too. We learn so much from our work with them. #mnlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

Separate behavior grade reported quarterly to show things like effort, collaboration, work ethic, etc #mnlead https://t.co/ASLODyVf26

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

#mnlead: along w/Q1: what about adding non-academic things to grades such as effort?

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

I love this analogy! Failure is not an option in this game. #mnlead https://t.co/MhOtDAJCoV

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST
Kind of like being a swimming instructor. Retakes are essential. Failure is not an option. #mnlead https://t.co/EFwCOSwl9K
- bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST
  
  @chris_bussmann Retakes honor process rather than end. If you don't know it, try again. I won't let you off w an F just to be done. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

A2.1 Depends on the content! I have some because it is in my standards! Otherwise we have a seperate grade for that on report cards! #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

@bretdom @KarenTeff That’s better than my answer! ;-) My answer comes from a Mentor I had 22 yrs ago… #mnlead

KarinHogen Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

Never. #mnlead https://t.co/W26eJBMTEC

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST

#mnlead: along w/Q1: what about adding non-academic things to grades such as effort?

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST

Yes! Everyone will not master the same thing at the same time. We need to have that atmosphere for them. #mnlead https://t.co/4fXvKNbvLv

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:17 PM EST
Kind of like being a swimming instructor. Retakes are essential. Failure is not an option. #mnlead https://t.co/EFwCOSwl9K
- bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST
  
  @chris_bussmann Retakes honor process rather than end. If you don't know it, try again. I won't let you off w an F just to be done. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:19 PM EST

@BethHumbert @TaraLAderman Bring #growthmindset training into the mix. Also, if work has purpose, points aren't needed. #extrinsic #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:19 PM EST

A1: We grade A-F because we always have. In "the real world" how many jobs are graded A-F? Dirty ed secret - we know its subjective. #mnlead

hmbeau5 Dec 13 @ 8:19 PM EST

@bretdom @chris_bussmann Yes- and the value is in the learning, not the date in which it was learned. #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:19 PM EST

Report these out as "skills that support learning". Not averaged in a grade. #mnlead https://t.co/FFInUUlB8L

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:18 PM EST
Separate behavior grade reported quarterly to show things like effort, collaboration, work ethic, etc #mnlead https://t.co/ASLODyVf26
- KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:16 PM EST
  
  #mnlead: along w/Q1: what about adding non-academic things to grades such as effort?

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:19 PM EST

Q1.2: what about adding non-academic things to grades such as effort? #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

#mnlead Q2: Do you allow students to retake quizzes and/or tests? If so, Do you allow full credit for the retake? Why or why not?

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

@robert_schuetz Exactly! I struggle with parents/students seeing the end of the road of you do the work and you understand. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

@hpitler And because it’s easy to understand and Parent’s get it (sorta) and jobs and colleges… Sigh, it’s gotta change! #mnlead

cybraryman1 Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

My Grading page https://t.co/s53I4hIHZY #mnlead

KevinSayerska Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

A1) not trying to sound robotic. But really it's about the journey each S has within a class, grade level and school that matters. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

@hmbeau5 @chris_bussmann I like knowing they can access that learning at any time in the year, not only when we cover it. #mnlead

SupAnger Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

#mnlead Focus on quality, not quantity-from Never Work Harder Than Your Students by Robyn Jackson

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

A1.2 (pt 1).. aren’t the projects good enough to demonstrate effort? #mnlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

@chris_bussmann For each course a S is in they have 2 separate grades. Academic grade and learning behavior grade. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

A2) I allow retakes. In fact, if students don't get 70% , it is a mandated retake. I require proficiency! #mnlead

TaraLAderman Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

A2 #mnlead. Full credit - retakes allowed until the last week of school.

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

#mnlead hello all! Jon from Farmington chiming in late after a ridiculously busy weekend.

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

A2: Retakes are REQUIRED if they do not achieve a proficient score! Full credit too! #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

A2)This is something I just came around 2 in the last 6,7 years… Yes! And full credit because - Why Not? Good for S's #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:21 PM EST

A1.2 (pt 2). mastery of the content and adding an additional effort score is forcing Ss to additions creatively and grading them #mnlead

RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2: We should be allowing full credit. Ss who mastered content a week apart still both mastered content. Don't penalize for time. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

@hpitler That is a dirty little secret. So much is based on "feel" when it comes to grades. I often think about compliance...#mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

@JonHeeren Welcome Jon! Great to have you tonight! Better late than never! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2: I use a completely different system that negates the need for re-takes. #mnlead https://t.co/qeciL57Gnz

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

Allow retakes, sometimes even require. Full credit is given because Ss learn at different speeds #mnlead https://t.co/exW7OkVH4P

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:20 PM EST

#mnlead Q2: Do you allow students to retake quizzes and/or tests? If so, Do you allow full credit for the retake? Why or why not?

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

For anyone going to #ties2015 tomorrow. Check out the @breakoutEDU session by @jamestsanders it will be well worth your time. #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2: Yes and yes. It's been an evolution of building understanding with MS students on the process to try again. #committed #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2) Ss need more than one opportunity to show their understanding. Look at the patterns of their level of understanding. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

Q2: Do you allow students to retake quizzes and/or tests? If so, Do you allow full credit for the retake? Why or why not? #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

@beckyrahm @chris_bussmann When I was in elem. school last century I did get a citizenship grade different from my subject grades. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

A1.2(pt 3)This should be an expectation,but definitely not a graded one.Mastery in learning comes first.Expression is already there. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

Couldn't say it better myself! #mnlead https://t.co/DzR1p4u2y5

RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2: We should be allowing full credit. Ss who mastered content a week apart still both mastered content. Don't penalize for time. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

A2: On different pt: Allowing Ss to retake exams can lead Ss to procrastinate - a dangerous learning disability. #mnlead

hmbeau5 Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

A-2 Yes, I would...because I want Ss to master the concept...the date in the semester is not important, the learning is. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

@jwalkup That has lead the "coaching" part of teaching. The longer you wait - the more you will forget. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:24 PM EST

@jwalkup That's pretty ingenious. That gives students opportunities and accountability. Nice! #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:24 PM EST

That is what makes each of us unique and amazing. Ss have a voice when we see it through this lens. #mnlead https://t.co/8sU6MnjLl2

RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

A2: We should be allowing full credit. Ss who mastered content a week apart still both mastered content. Don't penalize for time. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:24 PM EST

@BethHumbert Not sure how to correlate to my statement. Can u clarify? #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

The misconception is Ss can retake tests until they get a high grade. Allowing retakes means Ss are required to continue to learn. #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

A2: This one is a hot button for me. The goal is student mastery of the learning goal. When they do that they are ready to move on. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

A2. Yes. But the time needs to be reasonable as to not delay the learning opps of all the other Ss. #mnlead What is reasonable? need suggs.

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

@bretdom Even the Ss liked it. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

@jwalkup I see your concern with that, but setting a classroom policy from day 1 is needed to help curb this problem! #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST

Agreed. We've made it less convenient to make it through the process for a retake to focus 1st time through #mnlead https://t.co/AX6Yz44OmR

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

A2: On different pt: Allowing Ss to retake exams can lead Ss to procrastinate - a dangerous learning disability. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:26 PM EST

#mnlead - not an official ? but how do your fellow teachers take to your grading practices? Are all staff on board?

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:26 PM EST

@ACook_FACS I can set a policy that Ss will turn HW in on time. But what if they break the policy? #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:26 PM EST

A2) With retakes - I always tell students they need to be "smarter" before they retake. They decided how they do that. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@KarenTeff As you know, about half of our staff on one your wave length… Some… Not so much. We tend to Grade the way we were graded. #mnlead

hmbeau5 Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@jwalkup This can be monitored by a teacher to decipher the difference btw needing more time for the learning and procrastinating #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

A2) they retake until they can show they can do it. They don’t move on. Ss will take an F if you let them. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@hpitler Exactly, if this isn't the case, we shouldn't offer advanced classes. #mnlead

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@KarenTeff I am a coach advocating for standards based RCs (paradigm shift)... it ain't going great. But we'll get there! :) #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

A2: Here is a blog post I wrote related to this one. https://t.co/mot5DBm4kW #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

I hear this works in the mid/high levels.Retakes:Yes, but there is work to do before"just getting to do it." #mnlead https://t.co/UK9YU4PH3n

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:25 PM EST
Agreed. We've made it less convenient to make it through the process for a retake to focus 1st time through #mnlead https://t.co/AX6Yz44OmR
- jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST
  
  A2: On different pt: Allowing Ss to retake exams can lead Ss to procrastinate - a dangerous learning disability. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@JWPTech in my classroom I don't always revisit with everyone! The Ss is required to set up a time/way to remediate on their own! #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:28 PM EST

@JonHeeren AND, an F gives me permission to stop learning that topic. #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:28 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR and so what if they get a high grade, if that was what they wanted and worked for it then why not? #mnlead

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:28 PM EST

Staff voice in their content area is important. Parents seem to drive the non-believers to understanding. #mnlead https://t.co/Qj2kRmuj1U

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:26 PM EST

#mnlead - not an official ? but how do your fellow teachers take to your grading practices? Are all staff on board?

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:28 PM EST

...in time, my friends. We are close. :) #mnlead https://t.co/hpnhcdYh1v

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:27 PM EST

@KarenTeff As you know, about half of our staff on one your wave length… Some… Not so much. We tend to Grade the way we were graded. #mnlead

SupAnger Dec 13 @ 8:28 PM EST

Grades don't measure intelligence or ability just as age doesn't measure maturity #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

@jwalkup Depends on your school! We have @POWERofICU at our school that requires them to stay after school! Options at your school? #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

@hmbeau5 If they get full credit for turning it in late, then the teacher is saying they can turn it in late #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

@JonHeeren I don’t require A/B’s to retake… They may choose too… It’s their choice. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

A2: 99% of the time I allow retakes. This week is that rarity. My Ss didn't prepare, & had a weeks notice. #mnlead https://t.co/vVqWeSo0NP

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:22 PM EST

Q2: Do you allow students to retake quizzes and/or tests? If so, Do you allow full credit for the retake? Why or why not? #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

@SueAkre Yup!! It’s a war of attrition and we’re on the right side! LOL #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

@ACook_FACS @POWERofICU In many public schools a T cannot force a S to stay after school. #mnlead

RACzyz Dec 13 @ 8:29 PM EST

Have to check out early. Thanks for great convo! #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@hpitler exactly. They want the F so they can move on. But they’re missing the point. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@SupAnger That. Is. Awesome! #mnlead Thanks for sharing!

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

Slow adopters. Tough to change decades of school cognition. "Teacher Cognition, Speedbump or Roadblock?" https://t.co/SPk1DCW3tC #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@jwalkup if the T is willing to add to their workload, what is the problem? #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR same. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@Neepernu @KarenTeff We're looking at student charting for standards progress. S's score themslvs compared to T using learning proof.#mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@BethHumbert that is exactly right! We are working on form for remediation at our school, so we know they have learned! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

A2 cont.: it's also important to help Ss understand accountability rather than assuming everything in life gets a redo. #mnlead @bretdom

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@JonHeeren @hpitler I think they also don't understand the consequences of an F until they are stuck in summer school and learning #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:30 PM EST

@ACook_FACS @jwalkup @POWERofICU Amy, can you explain @POWERofICU? What happens if they don’t stay? #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl Keeping the balance of reality, accountability and learning. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

@hpitler Bookmarked, but upon first blush - right on! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

A3: Roughly 8%. Low so that Ss who have difficult home lives not severely distressed. Enough to make them value it #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

Dr. Howard Pitler - Formative Assessment Should NOT Be Graded https://t.co/VXSkVThkqh #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

But you always have that one student that wants to take/retake 4 quizzes the week before finals. #cmonman #seriously #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

@jwalkup We have morning and after school time! They don't/can't stay they go to lunch ICU the following day! Opportunites to learn! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

A2 cont (Part 2): So, this week, we stress the importance of time management, techniques for studying, etc. #mnlead @bretdom

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:31 PM EST

@jwalkup @ACook_FACS @POWERofICU But if it's framed as a place for Ss to get the help they need you have most parents buying in. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

@ACook_FACS I have students fill out an Aftermath (yes, I am a math teacher) after each test to assess what they got wrong and why #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

#mnlead Q3: Do you think your grades accurately reflect how much your students have learned (against a benchmark) in your class? Why/why not

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

@robert_schuetz ~agree, indoctrination. #mnlead

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

#mnlead If you require retakes, do you also reteach the content? Or are the students on their own for relearning?

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

@JWPTech Again, it breeds procrastination. Ss learn that deadlines are meant to be broken. #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

@BethHumbert yup, but you know...some kids need to grab the electric fence to know it works. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

Q3: Do you think your grades accurately reflect how much your students have learned (against a benchmark) in your class? Why/why not #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

A2: it's not "allowing" it's requiring them to retake w/ learning in between. Make it important the 1st time #mnlead https://t.co/YvLY2gExZa

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:23 PM EST

A2: On different pt: Allowing Ss to retake exams can lead Ss to procrastinate - a dangerous learning disability. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl That’s an interesting point With my Sr’s, they’ve got plenty of prep sometimes…Its’ on them. So, rarely, no retakes. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

@beckyrahm @ACook_FACS @POWERofICU That can work in SOME places. In others, Ss have to go home and take care of siblings #mnlead

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

A2) Education is not punitive. We learn in different ways & at different paces. Ss need to know that mistakes are part of learning. #MNlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR @jwalkup is a time set before/after school to get extra help, make up tests, etc.! IF they don't come lunch ICU! #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

#mnlead I am seeing that many of you think like I do about grades and do not need convincing of the power of SBG!!

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

It's really a measure of accountability, @bretdom. The real key now, is how do they overcome adversity & make a plan to succeed. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

A3: In general NO, but there are so many different manners and thoughts of grading it’s hard to place that answer on ALL Ts. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

@bmowinkel And add value to the learning. You can retake but show what you learned from the previous outing. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

@bmowinkel If they can get full credit for retakes, then in Ss eyes that means they can turn it in late. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

A3) The deeper the understanding of standards, the more accurately the grades reflect student understanding. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

@phototeachers @mcarlstromDR I would definitely consider it if somehow pertained to learning something more in depth! #mnlead

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

@jwalkup @beckyrahm @ACook_FACS required afterschool would never work in my district for this reason and others related to poverty. #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

A3: they should. Many other ways to report out behaviors or others skills students have. Progress vs process report cards #Marzano #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

A3) I don't know. There is a large gap in quiz scores and their final exam scores so I worry about retention. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

A3) Getting better with this! Not quite to SBG… Better at making my Gradebook more clear abt what we’re doing. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:34 PM EST

A3 The big Q is, how did you get your families and S's on board with the change? Traditionalist know the A-F model(or Bell Curve). #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

A3: Is there ANY consistency in your school on the meaning of an A? C? If no, then he answer to the Q is no. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

#mnlead Let's do Q4 since we have already answrd Q3: What has been your biggest “ah-ha” in terms of grading since you started your career

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

@Neepernu @jwalkup @beckyrahm many ways to set it up for your district! Great program that has a communication piece with parents! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

See my last tweet to @bretdom, @JWPTech. Ss need to own their education, & redirect their efforts. Make new plan for success. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

@bretdom Continual conversation. It is how you build shared understanding and clarity. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:35 PM EST

@ACook_FACS @mcarlstromDR I'm not much of a fan of having Ss use their lunchtime and recess to doing schoolwork. Just me. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:36 PM EST

#mnlead Q4: Q3: What has been your biggest “ah-ha” in terms of grading since you started your career

chris_bussmann Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

Every kid hits their stride, you just don't know when. Let grades honor each journey the same. #mnlead https://t.co/GcEWqVcFy8

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:36 PM EST

#mnlead Q4: Q3: What has been your biggest “ah-ha” in terms of grading since you started your career

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

A3 One of the struggles is convincing stakeholders that a SBG is essential. If you only know traditional grading, education is key. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl @bretdom Will the Ss then get additional opportunities to demonstrate progress towards mastery? #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

A4) once you tell kids there is no going forward until there is mastery. Many more work for mastery. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

@bretdom I’ve never used a Bell Curve in my career! If you earn it, you earn it! #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

Ah-ha moment: Students need to be taught how to analyze their grade and mastery of the material. Even in HS. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR Had 5 days lead time, but on our test, I had them inform me how long they prepared. 90% admitted to studying <10 min. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:37 PM EST

A4) It is about patterns of evidence that show levels of understanding, not averages. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

@BethHumbert @ACook_FACS Reflection is a critical, but underused learning strategy! #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

Q3.1: What has been your biggest “ah-ha” in terms of grading since you started your career? #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

A4: I actually see what the kids know in their final grade, not just that they can do a worksheet/assignment!!! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

To an extent. They will not get to take same test. They will need to demonstrate in a different format. #mnlead @robert_schuetz @bretdom

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

A4)That the way I was graded and I originally used Grades wasn’t good for kids! #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

@robert_schuetz @ACook_FACS My students don't get the grade unless they reflect it! Even if it is 100% - what did you do right?? #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

Who decided a bell curve was okay? #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

@JonHeeren Bell did. #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

@bretdom When I was an elem. P it took me 3 years, but we moved to a non-graded assessment with student-led conferences. Amazing. #mnlead

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

A 4) 1st year T, mastery of content in Sept. doesn't equal mastery of content in April. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

#mnlead: my biggest ah-ha is that I want to go back an apologize to my students from b/4 I started grading SBG!!

TaraLAderman Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

A4 #mnlead. Biggest A-ha: how to use formative assessment to drive learning.

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl @bretdom Cool! I'm on board with your process! - not that you need my approval : ) Jus' sayin' #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:39 PM EST

Spot on. I had many wanting to retest las test, but they didn't prepare again. Prove you prepared & ready. #mnlead https://t.co/Mh2SQDlWb7

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:26 PM EST

A2) With retakes - I always tell students they need to be "smarter" before they retake. They decided how they do that. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

@JonHeeren And this ultimately means that S’s need Clarity on what their supposed to be learning. Clear Learning Goals. #mnlead

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

A4: when guiding learning, formative assessment is more important than summative assessment. The journey is the destination. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl For awhile, I made them bring a re-done worksheet or a signed note that they re-watched videos! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

A4: Yeah I think my grades reflect their learning. Cant recall any Ss who got C that didn't learn material 2 reasonable expectations #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

@hpitler We are talking abt this in our shared leadership discussions. Our system can evolve to more reflective process of learning. #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

Exactly!!! It's a cultural thing in schools. #mnlead https://t.co/NEtUc6NDvf

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:33 PM EST

@bmowinkel And add value to the learning. You can retake but show what you learned from the previous outing. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:41 PM EST

A3 So much is a best guess, but more quality assessment & more quality feedback increases validity. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:41 PM EST

@JonHeeren HaHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dead Ringer- Bell Curve! #twitterhumor #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:41 PM EST

We need to continually look at what we can uncover, discover, and recover about Ss from formative and summative data. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:41 PM EST

@TaraLAderman Absolutely! The value of (ungraded) Formative Assessment can’t be overstated! #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:42 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR YES! Goal, learn, reflect....repeat. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:42 PM EST

This is key! #mnlead https://t.co/SeNdRCFiin

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:40 PM EST

A4: when guiding learning, formative assessment is more important than summative assessment. The journey is the destination. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:42 PM EST

@KarenTeff Count me out of that one. :) #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:43 PM EST

@jwalkup @TaraLAderman your not relaxing deadlines your raising expectations! Do it right the 1st time or more work is ahead #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:43 PM EST

@ACook_FACS and I will add, formative assessment should not be graded. https://t.co/mot5DBm4kW #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:43 PM EST

A3: Grades, even w/the best rubrics, are most often subjective. Don't always reflect true understanding. #mnlead https://t.co/SzJXeWdKx1

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:38 PM EST

Q3.1: What has been your biggest “ah-ha” in terms of grading since you started your career? #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:43 PM EST

A3.1 This is part of what makes Ts professionals. Sometimes the reporting is based on experience, observation, & intuition. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

@SupAnger It's not our job to measure intelligence or ability. #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

#mnlead Q5: Imagine a scenario where a T has 75% of students getting an A/B in class. But, only 33% of them pass the MCA test. Thoughts?

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

@hpitler I write grants. Grant reviewers may not use A-F, but their scoring is pretty much the same. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

A3. #mnlead. Sometimes they reflect. Interesting to revisit concepts 2-3 weeks later & check for understanding. https://t.co/pAlb83G50S

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:32 PM EST

Q3: Do you think your grades accurately reflect how much your students have learned (against a benchmark) in your class? Why/why not #mnlead

txeduchat Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

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BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

A5) MCA isn't designed to test proficiency. True assessment of proficiency requires much more than multiple choice. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

A5) Unpack the standards and analyze how the assessments align to the expectations of the standards. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

@bmowinkel @TaraLAderman Procastinators don't think like that. The extra work... that's tomorrow. Live for the day. #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

@TaraLAderman @jwalkup Yep and those that say the real world doesn't give 2nd chances aren't looking very hard. #mnlead

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

Either the class isn't SB, or the work isn't rigorous enough, or the grades give points for things not measured by MCA #mnlead A5

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:45 PM EST

@hpitler yes! Very good point! Love letting the Ss see where they are at and not worry about a grade! #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:46 PM EST

@jwalkup I write grants as well. The criteria are almost always clear and often include a rubric. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:46 PM EST

A5. You're not teaching to the test very well then...Ok, just kidding. You really need to know where they are with formatives. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:46 PM EST

@bmowinkel @TaraLAderman Again, I write grants. There aren't any second chances. #mnlead

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:46 PM EST

Definitely needs to be examined. is it grade inflation because of ec/etc, not teaching standards, or other #mnlead https://t.co/ZTnbZJ0n4F

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

#mnlead Q5: Imagine a scenario where a T has 75% of students getting an A/B in class. But, only 33% of them pass the MCA test. Thoughts?

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:46 PM EST

A5. I think teacher reflection is needed! Are standards being taught or what the teacher thinks is important? #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:47 PM EST

A5) what do learning targets look like? How close are they to MCA? How rigorous? How T measure proficiency? How mastery defind? #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:47 PM EST

@hpitler Sure, and we should too. But that doesn't mean we're not scored. We are. Very harshly. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:47 PM EST

A5)Interesting Q, MCA’s are just a “snapshot”, but R “Grades” should be a better indicator of how they’ll do. #mnlead

robert_schuetz Dec 13 @ 8:47 PM EST

@Neepernu Should we even have a distinction between formative & summative? Learning never ends. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:47 PM EST

@KarenTeff @mcarlstromDR Keep having conversation. It is our collaboration that brings connection. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:48 PM EST

Ss often get complacent if they know retakes are an option. For others, it relieves stress. #mnlead @TaraLAderman @jwalkup @bmowinkel

msleevang - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:48 PM EST

Late to the game but here. A5: Reminds me of Hight Tech High where they teach whatever they want. Ss perform better than others. #mnlead

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:48 PM EST

A5) Thanks for not teaching to the test. I don't send my kids to school to pass the MCAs. #MNlead https://t.co/R7EmzYLOp9

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

#mnlead Q5: Imagine a scenario where a T has 75% of students getting an A/B in class. But, only 33% of them pass the MCA test. Thoughts?

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:48 PM EST

A5 It gets us back to asking abt our practices. What are they showing they know? Grades don't tell us the learning. #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

@jwalkup Grant writing is a false analogy. It isn't possible for everyone to succeed. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

A5.1) T didn’t unpack the standards well enough, and then likely didn’t Spiral teach throughout the year. #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

@MarkJWestpfahl @TaraLAderman @bmowinkel Answer lies somewhere in between. But if we allow retakes, need to know the downside #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

@JennyHuling @KarenTeff Exactly! #mnlead

KevinSayerska Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

A5) I think rigor can play a huge role in how Ss learn. Rigor needs to be scaled to accommodate various learners. #difficulttask #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

@JennyHuling @KarenTeff @mcarlstromDR I have to say not everyone on board is the hardest part! The fight can be tiring! #mnlead

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:49 PM EST

Di I miss all of it? #mnlead rough bedtime tonight.

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:50 PM EST

@JackieC1989 A5: This speaks to a misalignment of the intended, taught, and assessed curriculums. That's a big issue in schools. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:50 PM EST

A5 If the material is engaging, applicable and transferable, students should be able to demonstrate on the MCA. Hopefully :) #mnlead

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:50 PM EST

As for re-testing, there needs to be some work done between or they will just keep taking test and keep failing. #mnlead #wastedtime

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:51 PM EST

@hpitler Wasn't an analogy. It was an example. Very real-world example that lies at the crux of funding (which is super important). #mnlead

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:51 PM EST

#mnlead Call to Action! What will you do this week to bring this topic forward in your schools? W/your teams? Etc?

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:51 PM EST

A3: I think my grades do, because I focus a lot of time and effort into ensuring I'm grading what I actually want to be grading. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:51 PM EST

A5: This happened at my first school, although more than 90% got A/B, but way less than 33% passed MCA. #mnlead https://t.co/1yFRwNDShV

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:44 PM EST

#mnlead Q5: Imagine a scenario where a T has 75% of students getting an A/B in class. But, only 33% of them pass the MCA test. Thoughts?

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

CTA: Continue to build my grading philosophy… It should be a living thing. Keep talking with Peers about Assessment and Grading. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

Q6 CTA:Call to Action! What will you do this week to bring this topic forward in your schools? W/your teams? Etc? #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

@jwalkup @TaraLAderman we are seeing this differently Not encouraging bad behavior, we aren't accepting failure Its about learning #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

CTA) Continue to have dialogue to build bridges to understanding where Ss are at the center of the grading conversation. #mnlead

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

A1: I do not give EC. I allow unlimited retakes and redos. More important. #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

CTA) I need to work with my PLC to figure out how we can have less "buffer" in the grade. #mnlead

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

It's a huge issue in education policy and is being used punitively instead of as a tool for true growth 👎🏻 #MNlead https://t.co/JULtPpu88S

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:50 PM EST

@JackieC1989 A5: This speaks to a misalignment of the intended, taught, and assessed curriculums. That's a big issue in schools. #mnlead

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

@mrsmduke As it should be! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

A5 cont. Part of problem was our flawed school wide attempt of standards based grading. Imo, we tried to appease dist. #mnlead @KarenTeff

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

A2: Absolutely. i get redos on assignments in grad school, a seccond chance at performance evals, why shouldn't Ss? #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

CTA: Keep the evolving convo abt standards based grading. There is momentum and it guides our teaching so why not?I want to continue #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

CTA: Continue sharing my classroom success and struggles to show that it can work with a little work from the T! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

A5: My biggest ah-ha? A sensible system can be devised that Ss like and preserves the integrity of grading #mnlead https://t.co/o1udNXk249

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

Gotta Run! But Great Job tonight @KarenTeff Have an Impactful Week Everyone and A Great Holidays! #mnlead

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

A3: I do not give homework, so I do not grade any homework :) #mnlead

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

A4: I think my grades do, because I focus a lot of time and effort into ensuring I'm grading what I actually want to be grading. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

A5 cont again: but not everything has MCA material. Graphic Design, Social Studies & many more don't appear on MCA. #mnlead @KarenTeff

tomwhitby Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

Portfolio assessment as opposed to Summative assessment speaks for itself-proof of learning vs. promise of learning #Edchat #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

@mcarlstromDR Thanks for all of your help tonight and this week Matt! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

@bmowinkel @TaraLAderman It's about how Ss view it and react to it. #mnlead

KarinHogen Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

Hear me speak at "Educators as Entrepreneurs: Inspiring Innovation" #TIES15 https://t.co/IH8930mKtw #mnlead tomorrow at 1:55

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

CTA: Working with my CT to really grade standards met/not met, not an arbitrary letter. #mnlead

JennyHuling Dec 13 @ 8:54 PM EST

I have to run. Thank you for a wonderful conversation. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

#mnlead ers, don't forget we can meet face to face at #ties15 at 1:55. Hope to see many of you!

SueAkre Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

Ditto! #mnlead https://t.co/XUbD0m8GIJ

mcarlstromDR Dec 13 @ 8:53 PM EST

Gotta Run! But Great Job tonight @KarenTeff Have an Impactful Week Everyone and A Great Holidays! #mnlead

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

@POWERofICU @ACook_FACS Again, not all Ss can be there before and after school. And I don't want to see recess repurposed. #mnlead

SupAnger Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

CTA) Looking forward to a conversation w our secondary staff to join our elem folks and change up our grading practices #mnlead

BethHumbert Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

Let's meet face to face at #ties15 tomorrow at 10:30! #mnlead

mrsmduke Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

Woohoo! Thanks @TaraLAderman you made me hit 250 followers! #babysteps #mnlead

bmowinkel Dec 13 @ 8:55 PM EST

@KarenTeff @MarkJWestpfahl @mcarlstromDR @TaraLAderman @jwalkup It has to be about S learning & growth. #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:56 PM EST

@jwalkup @bmowinkel @TaraLAderman and their parents. Parents need to understand the grading system to the letter. #mnlead

bretdom - Moderator Dec 13 @ 8:56 PM EST

Thanks to @KarenTeff for leading us tonight on #mnlead. We are continuing to grow our practices in grading. It evolves. It's appreciated.

KarenTeff Dec 13 @ 8:56 PM EST

#mnlead Thanks everyone! Any last comments about grading??

JonHeeren Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

Thanks to all #mnlead and please think about our brethren in Lakeville and St Paul and their crappy week last week. #teachersbattle

JackieC1989 Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

My point is that your job should be to teach the standards, not drill Ss on how to pass a test. #MNlead https://t.co/K10bPF76QU

beckyrahm Dec 13 @ 8:52 PM EST

@JackieC1989 Isn't my job is to teach the state standards, which happen to be assessed by the MCAs. Shouldn't more than 33% pass?

jwalkup Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

@JWPTech @bmowinkel @TaraLAderman I would suggest leaving Ps out of the equation. I cant depend on them... so I don't. #mnlead

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

Thanks for another great chat tonight! Have a super week! Everyone at #ties15 keep tweeting for those of us not able to make it! #mnlead

hpitler Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

@KarenTeff I would give you an A for you facilitation tonight, but that woudln't have any real meaning. Nice work though! #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:57 PM EST

Our "Grading Leadership Team" did not look at enough research, & looked at very slanted research for SBG. #mnlead @beckyrahm

ACook_FACS Dec 13 @ 8:58 PM EST

Thanks @KarenTeff for a great topic and questions! #mnlead

JWPTech Dec 13 @ 8:58 PM EST

@jwalkup @bmowinkel @TaraLAderman but they vote. They also are acting as main supporters AND stressors in an Ss life. #mnlead

MarkJWestpfahl Dec 13 @ 8:58 PM EST

Our team also didn't acknowledge the limiting factors that could exist, such as consistency of rubrics. #mnlead @beckyrahm

Neepernu Dec 13 @ 8:59 PM EST

CTA: Model formative assessment with the Ts I am coaching. Also leading a discussion with PLT Leaders on the use of data. :) #mnlead